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That is exactly what I say all the time. The US does and did many horrible things, and Russia did and does too. Neither of them are the good guys. Everyone defending invasions of countries is either a troll, brainwashed or a Nazi. Many posts here who defend various Russian invasions would also be top notch Nazi propaganda, saying the the people of other nations actually don’t have a right to be their own independent nation or that thy are inferior.
oooh, conspiracy slop, neat. 📷
(in all seriousness though, is this post trying to suggest that russia didn’t actually invade ukraine?)
I don’t know that it’s “suggesting” anything other than that if you believe the NATO aka US state department narrative about anything regarding the conflict, then at best you’re a credulous rube, and at worst a bootlicking neo-nazi.
I thought this was a good reply: https://hexbear.net/comment/6454811
Where do you get that from? The opposite of telling the truth is not telling only lies.
The information about the other countries is also not entirely wrong. There is just enough false information that the majority draws enough wrong conclusions.
just not sure what “they” are claiming beyond that (or who “they” is meant to refer to, for that matter), but the comparison to iraq, afghanistan, vietnam, etc. made me guess the op was claiming that the commonly understood cause and justification of the war was false.
I think so too. That’s not the same as denying the invasion.
if the invasion isn’t the commonly understood cause and justification for the war then i have no idea what might be.
To me war and invasion is synonymous.
Ukraine is the victim in the US and Russias imperialist dick measuring contest.
Neither the US nor Russia is telling the full story.
While not entirely incorrect this is a reductive view of the situation.
I dont blame you for that, but Id like to provide additional information to anyone else who sees this.
I think the most important thing to do up front is stop talking about Ukraine as if it is a monolithic entity. The nation of Ukraine, like all others, is simply lines on a map. The actual people in that nation comprise various groups.
There are a few different ones of relevance in this situation. Firstly the people in Luhansk, and Donetsk. These are the regions in the eastern most part of Ukraine. Another group of importance is the Azov Battalion. This is a western trained and backed paramilitary organization that is openly neo-nazi.
Prior to the Russian Invasion the Azov Battalion was engaged in an ethnic cleansing campaign in Luhansk and Donetsk. This is a fact.
The Luhansk, and Donetsk regions had no real way to defend themselves. They had been appealing to Russia for assistance for a long time. Russia had ignored them. It could have intervened to stop the crimes against humanity being committed at any time. It didnt.
Instead it waited until it had its own selfish reasons for wanting to invade Ukraine, and used the liberation of Donetsk, and Luhansk as an excuse to do so.
Obviously given this context Russia is not the “good guys”. I dont think OP would claim they are.
Neither are the Saudis good guys. But if they were to invade Israel for selfish reasons and a byproduct of that invasion was the liberation of Gaza i think we could all agree that would be a good thing. Despite the Saudis simply acting in self interest to gain more land.
Now this still doesnt get into every minute detail. Like the coup in Ukraine prior to the war, or Russias actions during the invasion. But it does provide enough context to bridge the viewpoints of yourself and the OP i think.
That is to say, Russia is invading Ukraine for selfish and imperialist reasons. Yet their invasion is having the byproduct of bringing to an end an ethnic cleansing campaign.
So when the OP says “Theyre lying about Ukraine” its to point out how the US acts as if they had no hand in this situation. As if they werent supporting the Azov Battalion as it attempted ethnic cleansing. And how they act as if Ukraine is a monolithic entity. As if all Ukrainians were unhappy about Russias invasion. Which is very much not the case.
Nobody is claiming Russia to be the good guys. But if our goal is to at some point in the future have a Ukraine where nobody is being killed by violent military action then we must be aware of this nuance.
The same goes for when we interpret news on the ongoing war. Its important we are all aware of these things.
Sadly though to include all this in the meme would not a good meme make.
Oh, the US for sure is involved. I don’t remember the exact year but they literally backed a leader that was pro US like 12 years ago. That directly affected trade with Russia.
And this area of land we are talking about is pretty much Ukraines economy. The majority of manufacturing happens there. Convenient that Russia has loyalists there.
But let’s not get into the weeds, my position is still what it is and it’s been in my bio for a while now:
Russias imperialist, Ukraine is full of Nazis, and the US started it. Stop the war.
why did this get downvoted? Who’s the gaggle of idiots that downvoted this? I’m old enough to remember all the bullshit about Iraq and Afghanistan and all the wars against countries that never attacked us that Obama started too
Anyone who thinks it’s a bad idea to try to establish peace between two nuclear armed powers is an idiot. Any bunker that you could survive in would also be your tomb, because the nuclear fallout from dozens if not hundreds of nukes being used at the same time would outlive you by over 1000 years
The truth is that NATO should be dissolved
If russia US so good, why don’t you go live there? US lie about all the time to justify war of aggression, and who is aggressing who in the Ukraine-Russia war?
Bless your heart.
