Good job everyone blocking and boycotting .ml! It’s having an effect, users are noticing and MAUs on their comms are falling!

And for anyone asking “Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?” Here’s a quick recap:

Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it’s off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).

If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the “Tankie Triad” (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they’ve positioned lemmy.ml as the “flagship” instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse’s overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that “They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit”

I don’t know about you, but I’d prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse “Voat 2.0”.

So if you haven’t joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!

You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation

Evidence of bans, censorship and bias to push their "ideology":

https://lemmy.world/post/32298242

https://lemmy.world/post/32471440

https://lemmy.world/post/32720369

https://lemmy.world/post/32292143

https://lemmy.world/post/32222856

https://lemmy.world/post/32426343

https://lemmy.world/post/32058315

https://lemmy.world/post/32426884

https://lemmy.world/post/32191006

https://lemmy.world/post/32720652

https://lemmy.world/post/32676095

https://lemmy.world/post/32298242

https://lemmy.world/post/32292143

https://lemmy.world/post/32221990

https://lemmy.world/post/32222278

https://lemmy.world/post/32222991

https://lemmy.world/post/32223697

https://lemmy.world/post/32224698

https://lemmy.world/post/32425984

https://lemmy.world/post/31569892

https://lemmy.world/post/31368129

https://lemmy.world/post/31329952

https://lemmy.world/post/31596159

https://lemmy.world/post/30665418

https://lemmy.world/post/30876228

https://lemmy.world/post/31090903

https://lemmy.world/post/31329952

https://lemmy.world/post/31368129

https://lemmy.world/post/29490804

https://lemmy.world/post/29507466

https://lemmy.world/post/29878102

https://lemmy.world/post/29980157

https://lemm.ee/post/65494823

https://lemmy.world/post/28480760

https://lemmy.world/post/28481615

https://lemmy.world/post/28482147

https://lemmy.world/post/28480936

https://lemmy.world/post/28482273

https://lemmy.world/post/28481272

https://lemmy.world/post/28481064

https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

Allowing known propaganda outlets and permitting altered headlines:

https://lemmy.world/post/32323822

https://lemmy.world/post/32283425

https://lemmy.world/post/32289824

https://lemmy.world/post/32337368

https://lemmy.world/post/30843744

https://lemmy.world/post/28275465

https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

https://lemmy.world/post/27288953

“NK is actually good, and anything counter to that is Western LIES” ~dessalines, .ml admin, head Lemmy dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

“concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad” https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

A .ml admins’ (davel) response to a valid report of “NK is actually good” propaganda/misinfo https://lemmy.world/post/32627834

“The China censorship tool isnt actually censorship! And if it is, it’s actually a good thing a state has that much power!” ~Tankies of .ml https://lemmy.world/post/30010789

Rooting for Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war https://lemmy.world/post/29274763

Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558

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  • Empricorn@feddit.nl
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    Every time a ml/hexbear community that I might be interested in pops up on my feed, I block it, then manually search for a non-tankie version of the same thing and immediately subscribe. The amount of pro-authoritarian content I’ve been exposed to has dramatically dropped.

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      I just instance blocked them, good riddance. Too bad I do occasionally have to see posts from their users on other instances.

  • MochiGoesMeow@lemmy.zip
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    Lemmy.ml seems to just downvote different opinions in masse without responding with respect.

    After a few attempts to engage respectfully and just getting negative interactions I just blocked them entirely.

  • Log in | Sign up@lemmy.world
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    I got banned to 40 days from .ml memes for arguing that the republicans were worse than the democrats or something mild like that.

  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Idk, I personally find that ML isnt that bad. Granted I may be a bit biased as a leftist but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world. Furthemore whenever I see massive Transphobic spam attacks its 9/10 from world. In addition I have had far more genuene conversations on ml communities and with ml users. However I cannot say the same for world users/communities which are known to shut down discussion by calling it “tankie” (yes even Anarchist discussion). Due to that it has become abundantly clear to me that the term “tankie” has very little if anything to do with authoritarianism and everything to do with leftism.

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      Granted I may be a bit biased as a leftist but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world. Furthemore whenever I see massive Transphobic spam attacks its 9/10 from world.

      The modlog just doesn’t reflect that, there’s no widespread issue on .world as far as I’ve seen in all my time in the modlog.

      What I do see from .world is a bunch of moderators doing moderator things and very little admin actions, which is what you would expect from any instance of size. It’s the opposite with .ml, and that should be a huge red flag in of itself.

      Are there bad mods and bad mod decisions? Sure, that’s going to happen anywhere, but I don’t see the .world admins in every comm across .world removing posts and comments critical of a certain agenda or to push a narrative, like on .ml.

      As far as “transphobic spam attacks” that can happen on any instance, .world being the biggest (literally double in size from the next biggest) means it’s going to be targeted more. And again, I see it being dealt with accordingly in the modlog, in fact that’s one of the main times I do see non-.ml admin actions in there, site banning actual bigots.

      Plus if .world really had a transphobe problem, ada would have defederated from it by now.

      However I cannot say the same for world users/communities which are known to shut down discussion by calling it “tankie” (yes even Anarchist discussion).

      Have you seriously not seen .ml tankies throw around “liberals” or “shitlibs” in the exact same way

      • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        What I do see from .world is a bunch of moderators doing moderator things and very little admin actions

        Yeah that gets annoying when you’re the moderator of a non-world community and I am. They rarely ban people and they allow anyone to make a new acc very easily.

        but I don’t see the .world admins in every comm across .world removing posts and comments critical of a certain agenda or to push a narrative, like on .ml

        I keep seeing people say that but I havent personally seen that and I have said a lot against authoritarian regimes

        I see it being dealt with accordingly in the modlog, in fact that’s one of the main times I do see non-.ml admin actions in there, site banning actual bigots

        I have been called a “self hating trans person” for being a leftist and had my entire gender invalided, called “fake” more times than I can count by world trolls and I have found nearly every time they were applauded.

        Plus if .world really had a transphobe problem, ada would have defederated from it by now.

        There are talks and serious considerations, many blahaj members want this

        Have you seriously not seen .ml tankies throw around “liberals” or “shitlibs” in the exact same way

        Tbh there are many times shitlib is more than justified and I see it very often. Common shitlib arguments include “we should compromise on the Israel-Palestine conflict, what if they only genocide half as many civilians?”, “yeah I support Trans rights, but what if you gave up sports and trans youth as a compromise?”, “yeah the system is rigged but if you dont vote blue no matter who you’re not trying hard enough”. Shitlib makes sense, it says you are a liberal and you are full of shit. Meanwhile tankie is just a blatant attempt to categorize the entire left as authoritarian.

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    I joined Lemmy in November. By New Years I had independently figured out what was wrong with .ml and its users.

    The less of that garbage, the better.

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    I actually like seeing their posts on my main account. It allows me to keep up with their lingua franca, so I can more easily identify their alts on normal instances, so I know not to attempt to engage in good faith.

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        Is usually not individual words, that’s the point. They scrub certain words and phrases to try and hide but they still have a certain way of speaking that you don’t hear anywhere else.

        It’s like some people I work with. They don’t use any bigoted slurs or quote crime statistics in my presence but they say other things. Things that normal people, including myself, might say, but they say them in a way that I never hear them said outside of some of the uglier parts of the internet or in a certain kind of company. They don’t even know they’re doing it, they think they’re hiding but they keep saying things that in a safe space, for them, is followed with a sentence that contains bigoted language.

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    In a recent discussion in the Matrix chat, it was mentioned that donations to support development have recently fallen off quite steeply. I mentioned my reason for not donating anymore is because I can’t support anyone who runs an instance like .ml. @nutomic@lemmy.ml said I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there, but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

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      I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there

      I’m in the modlog a lot so I can confirm that that is true, however, like @fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com mentioned, he shares a transphobic flavor of their mindset sooo yea

      but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

      LMAO “Donate directly to me and you won’t have to worry about it! Butttt it’ll still go to the exact thing you’re opposed to.”

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      Nutomic also said that trans identity was western propaganda and has doubled down on that statement several times.

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      If we all stop donating to Lemmy just because the devs are being tankies, how will Lemmy survive?

      I don’t want to go back to the bot-ridden reddit with its elon-simping CEO.

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        If the devs being tankies kills this space then it doesn’t matter.

        I like Lemmy too, but i don’t like it enough to financially support transphobic fascists.

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          Every service or product we use is owned by powerful people far worse than the Lemmy developers.

          If we all boycott lemmy and let it burn then we have go back to profit oriented bot infested social media at the end. By design lemmy isnt owned by lemmy devs and we can block their instance by a single click.

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            How are pro-genocide fake-communists (russia is an authoritarian capitalist state, China is a capitalist society) any better than American oligarchs?

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              Ideologically, they’re not. In practice though, the tankies of Lemmy have virtually no power, while the tech bros behind Trump control or influence much of the Western world.

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                I have a very negative view of American oligarchs (technology or otherwise); that being said I don’t see what they have to do with the degeneracy and lack of humanity of the Lemmy devs and tankies roaches more broadly.

                These are two separate things and I don’t see how “a lack of power” justifies their support for genocide and obvious demagoguery (no is being their pitch that NK is actually a great place to live, everyone knows that they are lying).

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      Cutting off funding because of political differences is stupid. Would you rather this go down the same path as Reddit?

      • walden@sub.wetshaving.social
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        It’s not political differences, really. Go ahead and be communist, I don’t care. It’s the heavy handed moderation style. It’s a 1 sided instance and anything to the contrary gets deleted and a time limited ban. They go against exactly what they think they stand for.

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        (different user here)

        No, but I want the funds to only be used for Lemmy development, not for their tankie server. They are the ones that make it impossible to do one without the other.

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            Ooor I can make it clear where I draw the lines, and hopefully get the developers not to spend the donations on their tankie server. Weird how that works, right?

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                And why should I? Can you make an argument for how using their platform is supporting their tankie server on a comparable level to sending them money?

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                  A bit hypocritical to continue benefitting off of their labor and time by using the platform but their political views is where you draw the line, yet you continue to use the platform. Maybe if you actually believed in what you said you would stop using the platform and go back to reddit. But do go on and preach from your virtue signaling high horse about how paying $30/per month for their server coet (which they use as a testing bed) is too much for you to handle.

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        If the political difference is between building a multistory carpark or underground carpark with a park on the ground level, sure, it’s stupid. If the political difference is “Russia does nothing wrong, Ukraine deserved to get invaded because of nazi” and “Russia is to blame for being the aggressor”, then it’s definitely not.

        You’re allowed to fund propaganda machine, and people allowed to not do it.

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    I always go in and argue with those Tankie fucks when I have time, but I haven’t even seen them in the feeds lately.