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And I hate them for that… but funny enough I hate them less than the other idiots who want to dismantle my livelihood
What would it take for you to reject both?
Much like everyone else who shares that opinion, a viable third option that doesn’t throw the election to the right wing when you vote for it
So, nothing. You may not like the status quo, but you’ll continue to let genocide happen because you can’t vote it out, got it.
Plus, the Democrats are also right-wing, just not as right-wing.
What’s your solution then? Sit around sniffing your own farts and let the fascists win?
No, that seems to be what you want to do, the fascists are already winning and you still cling to the endless right-wing slide.
I advocate for organizing. Join an org, be that a union, a party, a Mutual Aid center, whatever. Get organized and start building dual power. If all you do is vote once every four years, then you are part of the reason why the Democrats continue to slide to the right as the GOP pushes farther to the right.
You can do all of that and still vote for the blue team.
We all need to organize and work to strengthen unions. We need to do that. So the choice is just do we want to do that under a blue team presidency or a red team/MAGA presidency
Blue team seems much more currently amenable to unionization. So that seems like it would be the superior conditions for us to organize under.
You can do all of that and still vote for the blue team.
Sure, you can vote for the less extreme fascists. The problem that we run into is that liberals just vote and then go to brunch for 2 years before voting again. Leftist movements died down under Biden and the Democrats moved to the right, no longer is Medicare for All being pushed for, as an example.
We all need to organize and work to strengthen unions. We need to do that. So the choice is just do we want to do that under a blue team presidency or a red team/MAGA presidency
Sure. Unions would be a good start, though not even close to sufficent. The Nordics are very highly unionized, yet still see sliding worker protections and Capitalist decay.
Blue team seems much more currently amenable to unionization. So that seems like it would be the superior conditions for us to organize under.
Are they really? Some members of Blue team, sure, but it’s important to recognize that unions come from force, not from government protections. The dems crack down on any worker movements just as quickly as the Reps.
Actual organization among the workers is far more important.
nobody has the right answers; but we all know what the wrong ones are because we keep doing them and here we are.
we all know what the wrong ones are
You mean letting Trump/Bush/etc win because Biden/Obama/Clinton didn’t give us everything we wanted fast enough? At least there’s progress under Democrats.
Democrats aren’t perfect by any means, but both sides aren’t the same either and in our current system one or the other is going to win.
You mean letting Trump/Bush/etc win because Biden/Obama/Clinton didn’t give us everything we wanted fast enough? At least there’s progress under Democrats.
Democrats are not giving us anything we wanted, there is no progress, just continued Capitalist decline.
I don’t want genocide to happen. What the fuck makes you think I’m ok with what Israel is doing? You’ve got a terrorist organization and a right wing colonialist government using that terrorism as an excuse for ethnic cleansing
What the fuck makes you think I’m ok with what Israel is doing?
Your. Actions.
You’ve got a terrorist organization
E.G. Calling the Palestinians ‘terrorists’
You ACTIVELY support their genocide. Cynical piece of shit.
You may not prefer genocide to happen, but you aren’t doing anything to stop it, either.
I feel like folks like you practically get off to making bad faith arguments about how regular ass voters are "letting genocide happen" and imply that by not voting, you’re doing something effective to stop it.
I have to ask, hypothetically if the Palestinian death toll increased to 60,000 under a Harris presidency, and it increased to 150,000 under a Trump presidency, would you have any preference for one administration over the other if you could go back in time, or do you believe the 90,000+ death difference is meaningless? I’d genuinely like to know your answer to this question because to me it’s like telling someone there’s no difference between having one leg chopped off and both legs chopped off, and then hearing from some smug person in the back saying "how about we don’t chop any legs off?" like it’s the idea of the century that nobody has ever thought of before.
I feel like folks like you practically get off to making bad faith arguments
BAD FAITH ARGUMENTS LIKE SAYING YOU DON’T WANT A GENOCIDE TO HAPPEN AND THEN VALIDATING THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT GENOCIDE???
I feel like folks like you practically get off to making bad faith arguments about how regular ass voters are "letting genocide happen" and imply that by not voting, you’re doing something effective to stop it.
Try listening to what I am actually saying then, instead of imagining it and going with your feelings. I haven’t once said “not voting will stop genocide.” I said “voting will not stop genocide.”
I have to ask, hypothetically if the Palestinian death toll increased to 60,000 under a Harris presidency, and it increased to 150,000 under a Trump presidency, would you have any preference for one administration over the other if you could go back in time, or do you believe the 90,000+ death difference is meaningless? I’d genuinely like to know your answer to this question because to me it’s like telling someone there’s no difference between having one leg chopped off and both legs chopped off, and then hearing from some smug person in the back saying "how about we don’t chop any legs off?" like it’s the idea of the century that nobody has ever thought of before.
Neither option is acceptable and the genocidal US Empire needs to be torn down.
Secondly, please explain how there is a provable material difference in the ongoing genocide, beyond mere words. Congress is sending bombs and Israel is using them, and the DNC has affirmed their support for Israel.
Thirdly, the current death toll is already estimated to surpass 150,000 either way.
You won’t be able to stop the genocide regardless of who you vote for. And, from what I understand, you propose people vote for some third party that will never win, but leech votes from democrats so the republicans can win, right?
Yeah, that’s a really smart choice right there
You won’t be able to stop the genocide regardless of who you vote for. And, from what I understand, you propose people vote for some third party that will never win, but leech votes from democrats so the republicans can win, right?
Wrong on both counts, sorry. We can stop genocide, voting won’t do it though.
What do to think will?
Organizing and directly contesting. Build up dual power and risk upsetting the current system. The Black Panthers did it, John Brown did it, MLK Jr. did it.
