Its a shame because they’re prominent voice on lemmy. Good on the admins for not tolerating this. I don’t understand the point of targeting a person you don’t like on the internet just because they said something that upset you and spamming their post with downvotes. If you don’t like someone block their ass and be done with it. I agree with the perspective that its harassment (and an incredibly petty ineffective form of it at that)

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    Specifically, he said (among other similar things):

    There’s an argument to be made for neopronouns in the following cases: - People who don’t like ‘They’ as singular - People who believe there should be a neopronoun(s) that is not simply neutral/neuter, but explicitly for NB identities To the first, I will die on this grammatical hill, but I also acknowledge that it’s a matter of taste. If you want to push for Xe/Xim or whichever as gender-neutral-singular, that’s fine, and I’ll respect your pronouns, but I really do think that ‘they’ is perfectly serviceable as-is and we should just expand usage of it. If the cultural zeitgeist goes against it, though, it’s whatever, if Xe/Xim becomes the new norm, I’ll swap to Xe/Xim. To the second, I understand the argument, but I find it non-intuitive. I’ll respect the pronouns of people who want a dozen different new pronouns added to the lexicon, but I’ll also vehemently argue against the practice. Pronouns are meant to streamline communication, and gendered language itself is something of a relict.

    “Gatekeeping.” Ban.

    This whole thing is stupid. I don’t even want to step into or bring up the other big relevant issue that caused strife because it’s even stupider than that.

    You guys are fuckin’ with this guy because he did downvoting, and because he expressed what overall sounded to me like pretty reasonable opinions honestly.

    People aren’t hating on you here. It’s fine. You don’t have to turn everyone into an enemy.

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      am I misunderstanding the definition of gatekeeping? It sounds like he doesn’t like neo-pronouns because the complicate language and he sees them as pointless but will still use them?

      Is from when blajah was bending over backwards to defend drag?

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        Drag is banned from blahaj. Gatekeeping people’s identities and pronouns is still against the rules.

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          You’ve perma-banned me from 11 communities on blahaj.zone for ‘Racism/Bigotry’. Care to point out which posts or comments of mine caused you to activate the banhammer?

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            I haven’t banned you from any communities. I instance banned you. Which I did, because you implied that Arab folk are all sexist.

            Which comes on the back of previous comments removed for transphobia, insults and posting swastikas.

            I’ll be instance banning you again now.

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              Still waiting for receipts.

              Unlike other mods who either removed my comments or temp banned me from specific communities, you’ve permabanned me from one instance and are saying you’ll do it for another.

              Let’s see how horrible my posts/comments were to merit such drastic action.

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              you implied that Arab folk are all sexist.

              Which comment? Also, implied? Are you sure that’s not you reading too much into something because of your own biases?

              transphobia

              Which comment?

              insults

              Seriously?

              posting swastikas.

              I’m a Hindu guy from India. You’ve got a problem with that?

              Nazis called their symbol Hakenkreuz (Hooked Cross). I wonder why Anglos chose a word associated with Eastern religions when translating that.

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      And if it was a single comment, you’d have a point, but it was ongoing, repeated and deliberate arguments in a space that had explicit rules against what he was doing, rules that he understood. And rather than following the rules, or posting in other communities, he brought it up over and over again, arguing that he has the right to decide other people’s identities.

      And when banned for it, he made sure to keep adding flames to the fire.

      Whatever else he is, he is not drama free.

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        Is blahaj drama free?

        People have pointed out some times when he intersected with some drama that I wasn’t aware of, so sure, fair enough. I guess my point is even when I look at those he definitely was not the source of the drama in the situation. He was banned from blahaj for literally just showing up and saying reasonable things. If that’s against the rules of your instance, then sure, you can do that, but don’t try to flip it around where the person showing up saying reasonable things is all of a sudden an asshole somehow.

        Nothing in the comment I quoted is “adding flames to the fire.” It’s not “repeated and deliberate arguments.” Nothing is transphobic, nothing is denying anyone else’s identity. That’s why I quoted some of the actual words, to make it clear how ultimately reasonable he was being however you want to spin it into some kind of hate crime. A lot of people feel like, if they think something reasonable, they’re allowed to say it, and it’s weird and controlling for some other person to say that opinion is the incorrect opinion and demand that they not say it within certain spaces.

        I get that you’re interpreting it as some kind of deliberate naughty disobedience, but you’re not his boss, you’re not his parent. The whole “moderator” / “ban” paradigm has brought in this nutty thinking where people who run an instance can be the boss of what opinions are allowed or not allowed on that instance. It’s weird. In my opinion.

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          Blahaj policy is very explicitly that it’s a safe space, and transphobia and transphobia-adjacent content (and other forms of bigotry) will be removed. It’s supposed to be somewhere people can go and have it taken as axiomatic that their neopronouns are valid, and therefore they won’t have to debate them, so while it’s pretty reasonable to say that you’d prefer people grew to be happy with they and neopronouns didn’t become a permanent feature of English because they’re awkward, it’s not Blahaj-friendly, so can’t be said on Blahaj, especially if you’re going to repeat it a lot.

          It’s perfectly reasonable for people to like crisps, but it doesn’t mean I have to let people keep adding them to my cake when I’m trying to eat cake.

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            Blahaj policy is very explicitly that it’s a safe space, and transphobia and transphobia-adjacent content (and other forms of bigotry) will be removed. It’s supposed to be somewhere people can go and have it taken as axiomatic that their neopronouns are valid, and therefore they won’t have to debate them, so while it’s pretty reasonable to say that you’d prefer people grew to be happy with they and neopronouns didn’t become a permanent feature of English because they’re awkward, it’s not Blahaj-friendly, so can’t be said on Blahaj, especially if you’re going to repeat it a lot.

            But not only did I explicitly say that I was willing to use neopronouns, but my ban from Blahaj was over something said OFF of Blahaj entirely, long after I stopped using Blahaj. Namely, I said that I didn’t believe that dragons were real, and for that reason, Ada was summoned, and thought that was a great reason to instance ban someone who hadn’t even used Blahaj in months.

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              Yeah. The whole thing is stupid. I’m moderately confident that this is either:

              1. People ganging up as a very organized effort to try to bully you out of the space as they did FlyingSquid, when you (I think with every righteous reason) decide this bullshit is unpleasant and unfair and you don’t feel like putting up with it anymore. I’ve already semi-abandoned the political spaces on lemmy.world, not even because I was getting bullied with any level of success, but just because the overall flavor of the interaction is so toxic and fact-free.
              2. People who are just operating on pure tribalism. It’s fine for them to accuse you of all kinds of stuff you objectively didn’t do, call you a twat and a loser, all kinds of stuff. It’s not fair for you to argue about politics or downvote people, those are evidence of toxicity and sins. Because they’re on the “right” team and you’re on the “neoliberal enemy” team, so they can do what they want, you can’t. Reminiscent of a popular political viewpoint in the US…

              Honestly, I wouldn’t even stress about it. I get the impulse to try to defend yourself vigorously from this stuff but they’re not going to listen to anything sensible anyway, and they’ll be able to cherry pick instances of you getting upset to use later as proof that you’re some kind of monster. If you want my advice about how to look at it.