“I literally couldn’t have done anything!” Have those people actually thought about NOT GETTING IN THAT SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE

  • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    The only time I agree with this is with aircraft. Aircraft are extremely vulnerable to small arms fire in real life. But for whatever reason games decide they have the same health as a tank or submarine.

    I mean, Battlefield usually has aircraft survive tanking a direct hit from AA rockets, which isn’t very fun to play against. It usually leads to exactly what happens when you join a BF lobby: 1 guy hogging an attack helicopter all game with a K/D of like 145/3. Even when players pick Engineer, the kits are too specialized to provide meaningful ways of dealing damage to both land and air vehicles, forcing you to generally focus on only one. Which are you going to kit for, the land battles, or that one guy that obliterates everyone when he has the heli but can’t do anything against all the other vehicles in the lobby?

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      Planetside 2 is even worse. There’s a whole AA tank turret you can unlock, and it hardly does damage to anything besides the smallest fighter, and has a spread like a blunderbus.

      Infantry have an AA lock-on option that basically works only at point blank and takes a ridiculous amount of time to actually lock. Even the smallest aircraft take 3 or 4 hits to actually die, and that’s only if they don’t have fire-suppression which heals back a third of your craft’s health.

      Complain about it and all the flyboys come out the woodworks crying that AA should only be a deterrence, rather than a serious threat. Oh, and skill issues (while fly boys are the ones who farm infantry by hovering above lock-on range abd spam rocket pods).

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        12 days ago

        Don’t forget the freaking colossus, an unobtanium railgun which still won’t one hit liberators or composite ESFs. It’s ridiculous.


        But to be fair, skill gap is a huge thing. New pilots get utterly obliterated, while skyknights or good lib/galaxy crews are basically immortal and make aircraft look a little less fragile than they are. And stuff like the A2A lockons being so mediocre doesn’t help.

        Also, aircraft in Planetside 2 are all more like attack helicopters, not really “fly by” bomber-droppers like in some other games.

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          Flying on Planetside 2 was an exclusive club. Certain pilots would literally stop fighting each other to shit on the new guy until they give up.

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            Certain pilots would literally stop fighting each other to shit on the new guy until they give up.

            Yeah, that was really stupid, heh.

            And we use past tense, but there’s still one pretty full server to play on, right? Maybe I should play some while I still can, for nostalgia…

    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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      12 days ago

      Yeah, agreed. The vehicle whores in BF are awful. You either get a clown driving the vehicle into the convergence of 7 AT/AA weapons and just sitting there getting everyone in the vehicle killed in 2 seconds or you get the unkillable whore who takes hit after hit after hit and won’t die. Not much in between. Really most vehicles are way over-armored in BF, one or two good AA missiles or AT hits should disable or destroy anything, but it’s a game so the vehicle campers get to do what they do.

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      Part of the issue is the Battlefield flight model, at least in the past, was really shitty. It was an incredibly arcady system where you really can’t travel quickly or be agile. Helicopters in real life can avoid being shot. Helicopters in Battlefield can’t, so they need to survive being shot instead.

      There are better games out there that don’t have this issue. Squad helicopters can still take more shots than they should, but they can all be taken down with enough small arms fire (if you hit the right spots). The light helicopters can only take something like 3 5.56 rounds, but they’re really agile and a good pilot doesn’t get shot.