There is concept on the left called “critical support” it broadly means we agree with that one thing you are doing, but we also do not agree with other things.
In this case we can say: For sure killing LGBTQ+ people is not good, but striking a country that is currently carrying out a genocide is a good thing.
P.S. if you have better source for critical support please send.
There is concept on the left called “critical support” it broadly means we agree with that one thing you are doing, but we also do not agree with other things.
also known as “the art of holding more than one thought/belief at once”
are you citing 1984 to this guy?
Iran’s not shooting missiles in defense of Palestine, just in retaliation for Israel shooting at them.
But there’s certainly a level of “oh, is blowing up an apartment building a bad thing? Then WTF have you doing???”
Iran’s not shooting missiles in defense of Palestine, just in retaliation for Israel shooting at them
And why is Israel shooting at Iran? Maybe because Iran is geopolitically opposed to the naziest state in this century, and that’s an awesome thing in and out of itself?
This is a “let them fight” situation
So are you contending that gay people should be openly supportive of Isreal, a country actively engaged in a genocide?
You see the problem here, right? These aren’t black and white, one side good, one side bad situations.
Iran is a terrible country. My partner and I would both be stoned to death there. But there are also queer people living in Iran, in spite of their intolerant regime, many of whom would likely suffer greatly if Isreal manages to force Iran into a war.
Reality is more complicated than just assigning “good guys” and “bad guys”. That shit is for Star Wars.
In this specific situation, there is no justification for what Isreal has done. Their attacks on Iran have been unprovoked, and in clear violation of international law. These must recent attacks, by Israel’s own admission, include non-military targets which makes them war crimes. Iran on the other hand has responded carefully and proportionally. Does it feel weird to be giving props to such a horrific regime for their behaviour? Absolutely. But it’s impossible not to recognize that in this specific situation they are being the adult in the room.
Isreal is actively trying to provoke a war with Iran precisely because they believe it will turn international opinion in their favour, distract from the holocaust they are enacting in Gaza and shore up domestic support for their government. I’m not a fan of anyone involved in this situation, but I sure as hell am not going to express support for the country trying to start a war to distract from their genocide.
So are you contending that gay people should be openly supportive of Isreal, a country actively engaged in a genocide?
No, as evidenced when I said “Me when people are cheering on Iran, a country that literally executes gay people” instead of “Gay people should be openly supportive of Israel”. As you did not read what I wrote, I did not read your further paragraphs about something I did not say.
Me when people are cheering on Israel, a country that literally executes innocent children
If one tribe is bad, the other one must automatically be the good one.
There can never be such a thing as TWO bad tribes fighting each other.
me when people like you conveniently start to pretend to care about gay people only when something happens to Israel
?? Since when is calling out pro-islamists just pretending to be pro-gay rights? Iran beats women to death for wearing the wrong clothes and tortures atheists if you want some more groups you can claim I’m just pretending to care about.
No sympathy for either except civilians caught in between.
The best thing in this is that Russia may receive less drones from Iran used to bombard Ukraine, so that makes me happy
Based, both governments (not the civilians who want nothing to do with this) are brutal regimes that deserve eachother. The people rooting for one over the other are something else
I don’t think people are cheering them on in general. Just cheering them on against Israel. Which, like…yeah. One of these countries has been committing outright genocide and murdering journalists and aid workers en mass for the last 2 years, and then provoked this latest attack by firing missiles at the other.
I don’t think people are cheering them on in general.
I wish that was true, but I’ve seen plenty of people cheer Iran on in general.
Campism is utter brainrot.
Yeah, I’ve seen a ton of flat-out support for Iran and Hamas on here, and it just hurts my head. Particularly when it comes from members of the LGBTQ communities.
Like… do they not realize what these people would do to them if they had the chance?
Why are we dumbing down the situation here? Life isn’t about single issues.
Maybe we’ve seen different posts, but don’t conflate the need to stop Israel’s mad crusade with supporting Iran’s regime.
The OP is literally talking about cheering Iran. So it is definitely about single issues for a lot of people.
80* years
How long has Iran been killing gays?
I’m guessing it really picked up after the 1979 islamic revolution, so 46 years.
The state of Israel was recognised by the US in 1948, so 77 years ago.
How does this plays out in your head now? Please explain, but I’m really curious how one thing related to the other.
I would have guessed they have been killing gays for millennia. I like to flip the religious nutcase rhetoric on its head and say this is what happens to evil people, they brought it on themselves. It’s what they say when a western country gets attacked or has a natural disaster, they say things like this is god punishing them for accepting gay people. I say this is what they get for killing gays, they are pure evil. Also Israel get what they deserve for their oppression and genocide. Lesson to everyone is stop being evil.
I’m somewhere along the lines of “I just hope both teams have fun”, but the opposite of that
Wishing both sides a very happy total collapse of their existing state
The people of Iran do not deserve this. They are under religious authoritarian rule and suffer every day at the hands of these brutes.
Israel on the other hand has many people that support genocide against the Palestinians.
I hope none of the resistance in Israel get hurt or are displaced. I hope no innocent civilians get hurt or are displaced in Iran.
What are you doing having a sensible and empathetic take around here ?
Meaning Isreal is behaving worse than them
Sure, but the enemy of your enemy is not automatically good.
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See man you do it all the time. Nobody was “cheering on Iran”. You’re a propaganda agent for the genocide. Even homophobic populations don’t deserve to get fucking bombed, retard.
Israel is executing gay people, and straight people, and fathers, and mothers, and babies, and the elderly, and the sick, and the disabled, people in hospitals, and in refugee camps, and Muslims, and Christians, and Jews, and on, and on.
It’s called critical support. I can support both Iran’s self-defense from genocidal maniacs while simultaneously criticizing them for their human rights abuses. It’s something that people with a functioning brain can do - hold two ideas in their head at once.
Besides, Israel has killed more gay people in the last year just through sheer numbers of the people they’ve exterminated than Iran has ever.
There’s a difference between carpet bombing an entire country (also not defensible) and deliberately removing gay people from your population using the legal system.
Thanks to Project 2025, the USA is not far behind Iran.
