Or revive it, I don’t think I’ve seen a James Bond movie since one of the very first ones but I would 100% watch a Goldberg Bond movie because I don’t see how they could play it other than leaning hard into how inherently silly it all is.

I would push back against phrasing the mindset as:

“I want things to be worse for someone else than they are for me.”

When that is just a manifestation of one of several mindsets such as

"I’m better ~smarter, stronger, faster, more evolved, less emotional, better looking, more educated, stronger morals, etc.~ than them. Why should they have it better than me?

“My life has gone bad because of their actions”

Etc.

It’s an important distinction because nobody rationalizes their own decisions or reasoning in such an irrational way and phrasing it as such limits the opportunity for self reflection.

It also allows for conflating very real blame assignment IE “people are dying on the street because the ultra-wealthy are treating shelter like trading cards” with “you just hate rich people because you think you’re better than them, that’s just another form of discrimination”.

go fuck yourself, ___ style

I’ll give you props for proudly wearing your intolerance on your sleeve like that.

I’m using something we can, hopefully, both agree you’re not and is problematic to demonstrate the fallicious logic. What would be a better way to communicate that?

You’re miscategorizing it and anthropomorphs aren’t real.

It’s more closely related to objectophilia or fictosexuality which are also seen in nature.

It’s to bestiality as homosexuality is to pedophilia. As in it’s not related at all.

Glad we agree the irrational and emotionally driven humans are the root problem!

Guns have no use other than killing.

Yes. That doesn’t give them agency or sentience or anything though.

She competed in the 2021 Olympics but did not finish. Same as Chris Mossier who you so casually dismissed as a counterexample.

She did win silver in the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships. You do notice how you moved the goalposts we previously established in order to get the answer you desired?

You are continuing to be willfully, and now maliciously, ignorant.

If you’re calling yourself a tool I’ll concede the point.

yes, by not involving costumes!

All clothing is costume. People costume to express all sorts of identities, it’s not any more complicated than skirts, dresses, burkas, etc.

it’s gatekeeping to listen to queer people. Huh. that’s a new one.

Textbook “I have a black friend” fallacy friend argument

If people came out of the womb identifying their fursonas

Nobody comes out of the womb identifying as anything. If somebody transitions later in life does that make it less valid?

people should find love and support.

That is all I’m arguing for. If somebody self identifies their sexuality as anthropomorphic fictosexual who are you to argue with that? If they define their gender as otherkin why are you telling them that’s not allowed?

Edited to use more technical phrasing to avoid accidental aspersions.

That’s called masking, in the context of transfolk also known as boy/girl moding.

Nobody “takes their identity off”, almost everybody masks to some degree. It’s never “convenient” but it is sometimes less harmful than the alternative.

The point being made is you can’t blame the tool for the operator’s usage of it.

They are though, just going through the last 2 Olympics the list of openly trans individuals: Laurel Hubbard, Chelsea Wolfe, Quinn, Ness Murby, Nikki Hiltz, Raven Saunders.

You can look these things up, stop being a willfully ignorant bigot.

“It wasn’t the gun that killed you, it was the person who pulled the trigger.” C’mon, dude. You’re being obtuse.

As the TERFs say:

I can totally see why women would NOT want to complicate their already assailed lives by defending the gender non-conforming. life’s hard enough explaining the intricacies of womanhood without tossing in crossdressing hypotheticals.

Not calling you a TERF, but you do see the logical fallacy you’re sprinting straight into, right?

How does acknowledging someone else pain minimalist that of another’s?

does a cisgender, straight furry have any claim to the same struggle as stonewall

If you read through this thread replacing “furry” with any other identity label the levels of discrimination and phobia should be extremely apparent, and this is a rather tolerant and accepting space for them compared to more general cultural attitudes.

Also it’s not like stonewall was the struggle and now that that’s done all the struggle is over. In my opinion the core of “the struggle” is to advocate for inclusivity of all those marginalized. There’s a lot of marganilizing going on in this thread.

you do see how you are continuing to confuse what should be a fairly straight-ahem-forward thing to answer?

To some degree, but the problem is that gender and sexuality is not that straightforward. Do you have suggestions on how to make it less confusing?

I do listen to my lgbtq peers when they take exception to rando’s hopping onto their float claiming it was built for them.

That’s gatekeeping. The only thing it does is further wedge issues and perpetuate divide and conquer exploits. That argument and line of thinking is the exact same one that TERFs, etc. apply. I think they are unaware of the work that the furry community does to help propel that specific float if for no other reason than it adjusts the Overton window.

it’s not an attempt to limit people’s rights or to man the gates, it’s a genuine question.

I know, which is why I’m engaging at all. I apologize as I’m a crotchety old person annoyed at having to constantly repeat the same thing over and over again which always seems to boils down to “discrimination is bad, yeah?”. My frustration isn’t directed at you and I apologize that it’s leaking(spraying) out, but I’m trying to provide a genuine answer to a question with a flawed premise.

Yeah, if I’m honest I probably chose anime girls as my comparison point for that reason and because I also find it all a bit unappealing.

However, if someone was running around and saying anyone with an anime profile is a pedophile my response would be the same. Anime girls ultimately harm no-one.

Not categories, entirely different sets of content for:

• straight: pornhub.com
• gay: pornhub.com/gayporn
• trans: pornhub.com/transgender
• lesbian: ___ which is actually just a category and not a set of separate content___ oof___ pornhub.com/video?c=27

Sexual orientation is a description of the sexual characteristics

You are conflating sex and gender which are distinct things.

None of the categories I listed are relevant to whether someone is heterosexual or homosexual

Other than, arguably, pornography they don’t seem to be overly relevant to furry either.

Also, the hobby that many furries share (I never said all) is fur suiting.

Apologies, I did misspeak with “all”, however that’s like saying trans people all share the hobby of crossdressing and it’s just fetish wear. Fursuits serve the same function as gendered clothing or HRT for many individuals.

My overall point is that you should speak with more furries, there’s more going on there than you choose to acknowledge. Reducing it all to “fetish” is harmful and does harm the overall LGBTQ+ community.

Questioning and invalidating another’s gender or sexuality identity sets the precedent and framework for yours to be questioned and invalidated in turn.

Predilections for certain features, what makes you so certain anthropomorphism isn’t one of those predilections?