• saltesc@lemmy.world
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    And also killing off the less fit if they’re not our own. Especially if resources are at stake. Or general conquest or control over a valley, zone, region, or some other thing for your kin, clan, group, community, eventually country, etc. The same behaviours we still exercise now, whether for political tribe, sport tribe, oil, subculture, parts of Gaza, religion, property portfolio, etc. You see now the etc. is just a long-standing timeline cut short.

    Basically if it’s backed by a flag, colours, or other such meaningless symbolism of a group, it’s the underlying human nature still going hard. It is the “this is good for me therefore it is good to commit to” behaviour and the strongest come out on top whether decidedly good or evil.

    But we do tend to band together when there’s an immediate threat bigger than ourselves—not like climate change since that’s us and is a slow threat easy to ignore day to day. I think it’s more a self-preservation thing than an everyone else preservation thing though. People jump ship for a better ship all the time, but they’ll fight for the fleet so long as they’re part of it.

    And in between that the naive have exoected social ideologies can have any chance of achieving the blueprint of Eutopia they all envisioned. Yet history has only ever constantly said “Nope”.

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      the first paragraph is exactly “the law of the jungle” aka how other animals behave - it couldn’t have been the difference, since it’s the same. and then this extended to less tangible things
      so it seems you agree, but you don’t realise it: humans are unique because they don’t follow this rule.
      i read a book back when i was religious about the “temptation for good”, which the author argued was the proof for the existence of god, but i think it’s what made us different
      it might be just me, but i feel bad for not helping people (i mean like beggars and the like), but the world has conditioned me that it’s a bad idea - you’ll get screwed over, you won’t have stuff, etc.

      as to climate change - there are many people spending billions of dollars and countless hours to make sure the average person doesn’t get to or doesn’t feel motivated to do anything, i don’t think it’s “natural” behaviour

      history seems to forget that cuba exists, despite the fact that most of the world (especially the cia) trying to destroy it for more than half of a century
      not that i’m saying cuba is a utopia, but they managed to survive and keep their more equitable system, again, despite constant assassination attempts and decades long embargoes