people don’t need to learn that. these things need to be regulated. also Google needs to be broken up to like 12 pieces or nationalized. what needs to happen is companies not have this much power ever.
Famously Americans did the splitting thing once before with Standard Oil and it was immensely beneficial to the economy in general. Just checked the wiki and it was more than 100 years ago. Unlikely the same laws are still on the books.
There are several companies currently active that deserve the same treatment.
I’m in university (as an old) and just about everyone from faculty to staff has been pushing me to put everything in OneDrive. I know better, but young people tend to trust that an educational institution is looking out for them.
My freshman year I met teenagers who didn’t know what a flash drive is. Most of them have iPads with no storage, one of my classmates was just uploading all her lectures directly to YouTube so she could review them later.
There’s nothing wrong with putting everything in OneDrive… as long as you also have it somewhere else.
At work we’re told to put everything into OneDrive and we’re blocked from using USB drives, or using any other online storage. Fortunately all of the data I use and create on my work computer belongs to my employer, so if they only trust MS with their data then who am I to argue?
Businesses are classic chumps for the Microsoft scam. It’s why Microsoft will stop producing new products and just live off the Office suite for another 100 years, easy.
Yeah, I understand why employers use it. Oddly, I used to work for Microsoft and can’t remember using OneDrive for our projects lol
But as a student I really prefer saving stuff locally and to a separate storage device. The university system has been hacked at least once since I’ve been a student, we all lost our credentials and were required to physically go to the campus to reset them. The university also revokes access three years after graduation.
Several years ago we had a Microsoft consultant come out to draw up plans to get us to start using SCCM and using OneDrive was included. We spent several weeks working on this project and we had a meeting scheduled with the CIO on a Friday afternoon after a full week of working on the presentation with the consultant. We went out to lunch and the consultant left his computer bag in the backseat of my car… and someone busted out my window and stole his computer. Which also included his external hard drive where he backs up all of his data. He lost everything. I asked him if he had it backed up to OneDrive and he sheepishly admitted that he doesn’t use OneDrive.
It was a hatchback, and the back seat had tinted windows, so he thought it was safe… Unfortunately I didn’t realize he had his bag with him or I would have had him bring it into the restaurant. I’m a lot more careful now.
I see you must be from the Star Fleet academy where they no longer use currency for anything. There’s more to the cost of college classes than tuition.
There’s more to the cost of college classes than tuition.
yeah, no. that is literally it. once you pay the tuition (where applicable), you can visit the classes. you specifically used the phrase “money for classes”, so don’t try to bullshit your way around what you said. i know you need to eat and house yourself. these are not money for classes.
You don’t need to trust to use cloud services, I copy encrypted backups into the cloud. The only risk is that they don’t give it back but that’s why you have multiple backups.
This old school idea of “keep it on a drive” misses the fact that you can lose it, forget it, it can break, hardware can fail, etc.
If you have your book on a flash drive and it breaks, good luck. I have my stuff on 3 different services encrypted. I can literally get my info from anywhere at any time.
Yeah, for me cloud storage is one of many backups, but it’s just that, a backup. It should never be the original or only. It’s there in case your PC shits the bed, not as your prime storage.
Because it’s wrong. If you don’t have physical access to your files, you don’t have a backup. Someone else does, but you do not. It’s like saying “I own a Lamborghini” when it’s parked in a garage across the country that you’re not allowed to enter and the only way you can see it is by them sending a picture. Sure, your name is on the title, but is it really yours if you can only access it at the behest of someone else?
Nevermind the fact that a backup isn’t just for data loss. It’s also for network loss. No Internet means no cloud. What good is a PC if it can only do work while online?
But hey, nothing has ever disappeared from the internet, right? Hold that thought while I pull up my old photos from MySpace…
You are not too old. I feel the exact same way. Anything worth keeping should be saved locally. Plus storage today is so cheap, there really is no excuse to save exclusively on the cloud.
Yes. No one ever listened except the other nerds from our generation. Everyone else was to old to understand at the time and the rest just jumped in because they learned it in preschool.
i use ms word to save certain things, offline, an older version of office not the new ms office that forces AI. i do that to save certain things, like resumes,etc.
we dont have that new bs with Microsoft, we have a cracked version or one that works just fine. our work started to use the newest ms version, it was pretty crappy UI.
I don’t trust having only local files. Ideally you should have multiple local copies with at least one cloud storage and encrypt everything before you upload, so unless your house catches on fire and your cloud storage also fucks you over at the same time, then you are protected against both risks if they happen as separate incidents.
Also maybe go somewhere in the woods and hide a box of encrypted hard drives there, just to be extra safe. So three backups. Your house, A box buried in the woods, and cloud storage.
Am I too old? I only trust hard saving to offline storage. Be that an external hdd or a flash drive.
people just never learn that companies cannot be trusted…time and time again, they work to steal and claim ownership of your intelligence.
people don’t need to learn that. these things need to be regulated. also Google needs to be broken up to like 12 pieces or nationalized. what needs to happen is companies not have this much power ever.
There is zero chance that we can get the oligarchy to surrender power peacefully, so that’s not going to happen unless…
For legal purposes this comment is a joke
Circumcision it’s no joke sir.
Famously Americans did the splitting thing once before with Standard Oil and it was immensely beneficial to the economy in general. Just checked the wiki and it was more than 100 years ago. Unlikely the same laws are still on the books.
There are several companies currently active that deserve the same treatment.
The same laws are still on the books, actually! We just never use them anymore.
The big one is the Sherman Anti-trust Act.
Hey we did the same thing with AT&T! Split them into a bunch of smaller companies which then merged back together after a few years…shit…
We also nationalized several enormous companies with arguably excellent results (ConEd, Amtrak, the post-WWI FRA).
I’m in university (as an old) and just about everyone from faculty to staff has been pushing me to put everything in OneDrive. I know better, but young people tend to trust that an educational institution is looking out for them.
My freshman year I met teenagers who didn’t know what a flash drive is. Most of them have iPads with no storage, one of my classmates was just uploading all her lectures directly to YouTube so she could review them later.
There’s nothing wrong with putting everything in OneDrive… as long as you also have it somewhere else.
At work we’re told to put everything into OneDrive and we’re blocked from using USB drives, or using any other online storage. Fortunately all of the data I use and create on my work computer belongs to my employer, so if they only trust MS with their data then who am I to argue?
Businesses are classic chumps for the Microsoft scam. It’s why Microsoft will stop producing new products and just live off the Office suite for another 100 years, easy.
Yeah, I understand why employers use it. Oddly, I used to work for Microsoft and can’t remember using OneDrive for our projects lol
But as a student I really prefer saving stuff locally and to a separate storage device. The university system has been hacked at least once since I’ve been a student, we all lost our credentials and were required to physically go to the campus to reset them. The university also revokes access three years after graduation.
They knew better than to get high off their own supply
Several years ago we had a Microsoft consultant come out to draw up plans to get us to start using SCCM and using OneDrive was included. We spent several weeks working on this project and we had a meeting scheduled with the CIO on a Friday afternoon after a full week of working on the presentation with the consultant. We went out to lunch and the consultant left his computer bag in the backseat of my car… and someone busted out my window and stole his computer. Which also included his external hard drive where he backs up all of his data. He lost everything. I asked him if he had it backed up to OneDrive and he sheepishly admitted that he doesn’t use OneDrive.
Leaving computer equipment or bags visible in an unattended car is a big no no. What’s the boot for?
It was a hatchback, and the back seat had tinted windows, so he thought it was safe… Unfortunately I didn’t realize he had his bag with him or I would have had him bring it into the restaurant. I’m a lot more careful now.
wait, are you saying that twenty-something is old? 😂
Where did you get twenty-something from? No, I consider people in their twenties to be young people.
that’s usual age when people are at the university. your “as an old” might probably be worded more clearly if you meant something different.
You can go back to college at any age as long as you’ve got the money for classes.
i see you must be from the freedom country. in civilized world, you can do that without the money 😜 it is just that the wording wasn’t very clear.
I see you must be from the Star Fleet academy where they no longer use currency for anything. There’s more to the cost of college classes than tuition.
yeah, no. that is literally it. once you pay the tuition (where applicable), you can visit the classes. you specifically used the phrase “money for classes”, so don’t try to bullshit your way around what you said. i know you need to eat and house yourself. these are not money for classes.
You don’t need to trust to use cloud services, I copy encrypted backups into the cloud. The only risk is that they don’t give it back but that’s why you have multiple backups.
Yeah this is the answer.
This old school idea of “keep it on a drive” misses the fact that you can lose it, forget it, it can break, hardware can fail, etc.
If you have your book on a flash drive and it breaks, good luck. I have my stuff on 3 different services encrypted. I can literally get my info from anywhere at any time.
Especially trusting cloud storage without a local backup for psyche-critical work - absolutely bonkers
I always get told that they would never take your stuff away, even though there are lots of examples.
Yes we’re too experienced and sceptical.
Yeah, for me cloud storage is one of many backups, but it’s just that, a backup. It should never be the original or only. It’s there in case your PC shits the bed, not as your prime storage.
Actually many people use cloud as the original. I don’t get why we are pretending this isn’t normal.
No one’s pretending otherwise, they’re saying it’s dumb to do so.
Because it’s wrong. If you don’t have physical access to your files, you don’t have a backup. Someone else does, but you do not. It’s like saying “I own a Lamborghini” when it’s parked in a garage across the country that you’re not allowed to enter and the only way you can see it is by them sending a picture. Sure, your name is on the title, but is it really yours if you can only access it at the behest of someone else?
Nevermind the fact that a backup isn’t just for data loss. It’s also for network loss. No Internet means no cloud. What good is a PC if it can only do work while online?
But hey, nothing has ever disappeared from the internet, right? Hold that thought while I pull up my old photos from MySpace…
You are not too old. I feel the exact same way. Anything worth keeping should be saved locally. Plus storage today is so cheap, there really is no excuse to save exclusively on the cloud.
Yes. No one ever listened except the other nerds from our generation. Everyone else was to old to understand at the time and the rest just jumped in because they learned it in preschool.
No, you aren’t. I only use it because my work makes me to be able to share with everyone in the district.
i use ms word to save certain things, offline, an older version of office not the new ms office that forces AI. i do that to save certain things, like resumes,etc.
Lemmy taught me that if you try to cancel, they’ll offer you ms sans-ai. Save 3 whole bucks too.
we dont have that new bs with Microsoft, we have a cracked version or one that works just fine. our work started to use the newest ms version, it was pretty crappy UI.
I don’t trust having only local files. Ideally you should have multiple local copies with at least one cloud storage and encrypt everything before you upload, so unless your house catches on fire and your cloud storage also fucks you over at the same time, then you are protected against both risks if they happen as separate incidents.
Also maybe go somewhere in the woods and hide a box of encrypted hard drives there, just to be extra safe. So three backups. Your house, A box buried in the woods, and cloud storage.
ZK encryption has [yet] been debunked yet but I am sure there is risk there too
What are you referring to? What is “ZK” here?
Zero Knowledge ie service provider doesn’t have view of the content just that you are using the service e
So something like MEGA or Proton Drive?
All proton services are zk except their LLM Andy is trying to sell us recently.
Filen, bitwarden any self respecting service is now zk.
If it ain’t, you are being punked
Thanks for the explanation. I always knew that concept just as E2EE.
E2ee to me is like signal, ie they don’t store data except meta data. Zk implies data at rest is encrypted
I am no expert just a prosumer
“Zero Knowledge Encryption” is the reference but I’m not sure how it applies here.
Zero-knowledge…? Maybe? But you can encrypt your stuff locally before sending it up
I’d love to see proof of that
Typo