• Mycatiskai@lemmy.caOP
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    If someone who is trans goes out of their way to not support their own community because they are rich enough to avoid the negative effects of the current US position on trans rights then they should be treated with absolutely no respect.

    Like an Uncle Tom selling out their own people, or Lindsay Graham existing.

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      So what you’re saying is that basic human rights are conditional?

      I can disagree with Caitlyn Jenner for taking the side of people actively campaigning against the trans community while also acknowledging that she deserves to be called the name she identifies with.

      What message does this send to trans people? It says that their bare basics rights are conditional based on what they believe. A trans man can watch and follow the values of Andrew Tate, and with that fact I can call his values gross while also affording him basic human rights in addressing him by his name and using his correct pronouns. These are non-negotiable, and acting like they are plays into right-wing narratives both about trans people, and those who are left-wing.

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        This is a pretty big stretch. It is not a human right that “everyone must call you by your chosen name”. That is a matter of respect. The person you’re responding to likewise brings up the point of respect. Like it or not respect isn’t a human right.

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          Deadnaming a trans person is equivalent to telling them they are not who they say they are. If you deadname a trans woman as some sorta “gotcha” because they disagree with you, even if their rhetoric and actions harm the very community they’re a part of, that’s not far off from being the type to say “YWNBAW”.

          Their name is inherently connected to their identity. It’s one thing to call Caitlyn some smarmy Trump-esque name like “kookie Caitlyn”, or some other feminine name that isn’t hers to mock her like “Candace” or “Karen”, but in using her birth name/deadname, you are basically telling a trans person that their identity as their gender is invalid, and that they are only seen as the gender they identify with when they agree with you.

          Instead of saying “you will never be a woman”, it says “you are only a woman when I feel like you deserve to be one”.

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            Kaitlyn supports trans rights for herself, nobody else matters to her. So she deserves no respect at all. I won’t deadname her but that is my choice. She is a dumbfuck selfish cunt and that cuntiness knows no gender.

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              Okay, so let’s take that same logic and apply it elsewhere.

              Kanye West is an out and proud nazi. Do I have the right then to call him the hard r because I disagree with him?

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                4 days ago

                If you believe he is then do what you feel is real. I’m not the arbitrator of your speech.

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                  4 days ago

                  This is such a cheap cop-out, and says more than you think it does about how much you tolerate bigotry.

                  I’ll make my way.

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          Right, cause it’s perfectly acceptable to stretch my eyes at an Asian-American if they vote against their own interests.

          At least that’s what I gather if I apply this same logic towards other minority groups, right?