It’s not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.

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    People can use whatever pronouns they want and anyone pitching a fit about it are the ones who deserve scrutiny as far as I’m concerned.

    Drag always rubbed me the wrong way, always ready to jump right to calling people tankies without much interesting conversation to be had.

    If someone is trolling I’m going to ban them when they violate an actual rule, like telling people to kys, because anything else opens up the field for people like Pug to declare who is and isn’t trans based on if they like their pronoun choice.

    Responding to PugJesus below me as I can’t interact due to their ban:

    From my POV, you are pitching a fit over the pronouns by harping on about ‘not believing dragons are real’ - heres an example of you misgendering with ‘his’ while doing so. That invites extra scrutiny.

    in this thread the person was banned for saying “I don’t think it’s an unfair line to draw. We draw it at what’s real and what’s not. Gender as a spectrum is real.”

    you replied in one comment saying

    … transphobia is when you don’t believe in dragons?

    How curious.

    What I conclude from this:

    When you are talking about belief in dragons what you are really doing is using that in as a stand-in to say ’ only genders that are ‘real’ are acceptable to use’. That is gatekeeping.

    here you are doing it he same routine to a trans woman in that same thread. You called her a child and insane for saying ‘you don’t get to question someone’s identity’.

    I don’t believe in any magical creatures, but drag and anyone else should be able to use whatever pronouns they want because fuck gender.

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      I never said Drag wasn’t trans. I never said that Drag’s neopronoun choice was invalid. I always made an effort to use Drag’s pronoun. But lying is the only tool you have, isn’t it?

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        Would it be transphobic to say “I’ll use she/her for you but I don’t believe you’re a woman, as that’s against the objective reality of biology”?

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          1. I was specifically and repeatedly accused of not using Drag’s pronouns, including in the comment I responded to, since that’s an easier sell to most people to slander someone on.

          2. Women exist. Dragons do not.

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            Women exist. Dragons do not.

            Exist in what sense? Again, is it rooted in something like biology or social assignment in your view, or is it based on the existence of people self-identifying as such? If the former, why do you not take issue with singular they? If the latter, what’s the difference between that and “dragon”? Would you argue there are no people who genuinely use “dragon” as their pronoun? There are certainly quite a few who use “fae/faer”, so it wouldn’t be a significant leap.

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              Exist in what sense?

              In the sense of existing in the real world.

              If the former, why do you not take issue with singular they?

              Why on earth would I take issue with a grammatical usage case that predates Shakespeare?

              Would you argue there are no people who genuinely use “dragon” as their pronoun?

              Why would calling themselves something and asking others to call them something inherently make them something a human being literally cannot be on account of it being a fantasy creature?