I hate that evil Emperor Palpatine. That’s why I support Dedra Meero for Emperor. She’s a real firecracker that believes in the righteousness of the Empire to maintain order.
Its been over a year and people still are freaking out about this? And not the fact that the democrats have basically rolled over at every turn to trump and the GOPs demands?
The dems did not do s good job mobilizing their voter base. A bunch of people didnt like genocide. A bunch of people didnt like Biden. A bunch of people held their nose and voted for him the first time when he said he would get rid of student loans and be a one term president. He reneged on almost every single promise he made. He then committed genocide. People didnt like it. The DNC shoved him and Kamala down everyone’s throats instead of having an actual election. They’ve fucked themselves 3 cycles in a row now and then start complaining about socialists.
They were all vote blue no matter who when it was Biden or Kamala but now Mamdani won in NY and they’re all teaming up with the Republicans to stop him. Maybe thats why they keep fucking losing - they dont want to listen to their own base.
What do regular people want? Higher taxes on the rich, more affordable housing and food, Healthcare for all, and good education. All they’ve done is say well this will hurt billionaires feelings so we cant do it.
Its been over a year and people still are freaking out about this?
Well under a year, a year isn’t very fucking long, and of fucking course we’re freaking out about the fact that the country was handed over to Nazis, what kind of Nazi wouldn’t be freaking out?
They were all vote blue no matter who when it was Biden or Kamala but now Mamdani won in NY and they’re all teaming up with the Republicans to stop him.
Jesus fucking Christ. You people live in a fantasy land of your own devising.
What do regular people want? Higher taxes on the rich, more affordable housing and food, Healthcare for all, and good education.
It’s funny, then, that regular people seem so often to vote against all those things, both in primaries and in the general election. But I’m sure it’s the fault of the DEMS in some way. Can’t face up to the fact that the electorate needs to fucking change, no sir, everything is the fault of Blue Circus not being entertaining enough for you lot to save marginalized groups from genocide. Maybe if the careerist politicians in the DNC are more entertaining next time, you’ll think about voting against the Nazis, huh?
No, this post is freaking out about Kamala.
How do i live in a fantasy world? Mamdani won, and the democrats other than Bernie and AOC refused to endorse him. They would rather Eric Adams, who is Trumps little bitch, stayed in power. Or Andrew Cuomo.
Its funny that the dems keep using all those things as a carrot to get people to vote for them but then never actually do anything with them. No one is asking for politicians to be more entertaining, im not sure where you got that from my post. I would rather they weren’t entertaining but actually listened to their constituents. The democrats absolutely have failed to listen to their constituents since Obama.
Their constituents wanted Bernie in 2016. Deb Wasserman Schulz and the DNC said no its her turn and gave it to Hilary, who had no chance of beating trump. Then they won with Biden because everyone was sick of trump, not because of anything great Biden did. Biden made a bunch of promises, the big one being that he would be a one term president. That didnt happen. The democratic voters very clearly said they didnt want genocide. Biden hopped in with Netenyahu.
The fact that you still cant wrap your head around the fact that people might care about a genocide happening and not want to vote for a someone enacting it just because the next person would keep enacting what was already started is pretty troubling about your sense of morality.
No, this post is freaking out about Kamala.
Are you aware that there was only one realistic alternative to the Nazi candidate in 2024?
How do i live in a fantasy world? Mamdani won, and the democrats other than Bernie and AOC refused to endorse him.
Waoh look at all these Congresscritters who didn’t endorse him
The democrats absolutely have failed to listen to their constituents since Obama.
Lord, and a dose of Obama nostalgia to go with it.
Their constituents wanted Bernie in 2016. Deb Wasserman Schulz and the DNC said no its her turn and gave it to Hilary, who had no chance of beating trump.
Jesus fucking Christ, a fantasy world indeed. Would you like to remind me by what numbers the Dem constituency voted in the 2016 Primary, and, for that matter, what the vote for the 2016 General was wrt the presidential candidates?
The fact that you still cant wrap your head around the fact that people might care about a genocide happening and not want to vote for a someone enacting it just because the next person would keep enacting what was already started is pretty troubling about your sense of morality.
The candidate who criticized the former administration for not supporting the genocide enough and promised to do everything in his power to help Israel wipe out the Palestinian people?
I’m sorry that you don’t see a difference between increasing support for genocide and decreasing support for genocide. I guess the hundreds of thousands of additional Palestinians who are going to die in Gaza and the West Bank don’t matter as much as virtue signaling how against genocide you are. Very moral, though, I’m sure your soul will be pure as snow when you pass on to the Leftist Afterlife or whatever the fuck you’re trying to murder marginalized groups for.
Your reading comprehension is ridiculously low and you seem to just want to start fights for no reason You dont have any points to make you just attack others for disagreeing with you. “The democrats have failed to listen to their constituents since obama”
This has nothing to do with Obama nostalgia, it has to do with the fact that its a simple fact. If you remember in 08 the establishment didnt want him either, but he rode a huge wave that was too big to ignore.
Since then the dems have screwed their own elections on 3 separate occasions. Bernie would have been a better choice than Kamala this time around.
But you dont seem to want to engage with any facts that exist outside of your own little bubble so you know what, do you. I hope youre not as miserable in real life
You already had camps tbh, you’ve had them for many years now
Sorry are civilians carpet-bombed in america? Are they throwing white phosphorus at your family? How can you play the victim lmao
OP admits that they would cast a vote to put trans people in camps if the situation was right. This meme is ridiculous coming from a person like that.
Yeah, OP would enthusiastically vote for Mussolini if the other option was Hitler. They fundamentally do not have a conscience and lack any moral center. There is no red line that would cause them to say, “that’s it. Enough if enough. I won’t vote for you no matter what the alternative is.”
They’re a sociopathic utilitarian (or at least they larp as one.) Individual human beings have no inherent worth; all that matters is the cold hard greatest good for the greatest number. In the past, they quite possibly would have actually been convinced to vote for Hitler, as long as Hitler could convince them that the evil the Nazis intended was for the greater good. The Nazis justified all their most evil shit on utilitarian grounds. The road to Hell is paved with utilitarianism.
Yeah, OP would enthusiastically vote for Mussolini if the other option was Hitler
Uhh… Are you saying you’d vote for Hitler if the other option was Mussolini?
What are you trying to say here? That it’s better to “take the higher ground” and just NOT vote? Giving the hardcore right-winger voters an even larger margin by which they elect the horrible option?
Not voting at all is literally he worst of all available options in the vast majority of democratic election systems.
Note: if I’m wrong, and not voting actually sends a message in the US, please educate me. The systems I know count the votes as the percentage of valid votes given, which means that not voting always gives advantage to the right side.
The solution if your options are literally Hitler and Mussolini is to get a gun and utilize it. Democracy is already dead if you’re just choosing between two fascists.
Correct! And getting a gun and doing something about it is decidedly not just sitting down in a “silent protest” bullshit “I’m not voting for the lesser evil” stance.
Another solution is to set up a new alternative and promote that - but that’s not a viable option in the US.
Who cares about you you’re a straight up genocide denialist.
What are you trying to say here? That it’s better to “take the higher ground” and just NOT vote? Giving the hardcore right-winger voters an even larger margin by which they elect the horrible option?
You’re brainwashed. Election boycotts are a tried and true method of political participation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_boycott
If a large portion of the electorate boycotts an election, it doesn’t legitimize either side. Even though one candidate ends up winning by a silly margin, that margin yields no political capital.
You’re brainwashed. Election boycotts are a tried and true method
Depending on the voting mechanism and scale.
Have you read the article you linked, Mr. Super Not Brainwashed?
That only works in two scenarios:
- The voting system doesn’t punish non-voters (calculation based on the number of eligible voters, not valid votes).
- The protest is performed on such a massive scale, that the entire election is voided (usually below 50% turnout).
There was NOWHERE NEAR enough interest from US voters for anybody sane to have any hope of the latter happening, and the US system doesn’t give a fuck about people abstaining.
Election boycott is the offside trap of the election system - if it works, it works, if it doesn’t you just gave the opponent a massive advantage.
What are you trying to say here? That it’s better to “take the higher ground” and just NOT vote?
In a race between Hitler and mussolini, yes. If you participated in a system that gave you a choice between those two you’re part of the problem. Get outta here with your HURR DURR TRAINS RAN ON TIME
Right.
So in a choice between Holocaust and Fascism, you choose Holocaust.
Because not voting is boosting the effective numbers of those who vote for the Holocaust.
And you have the gall to think of yourself as the better person, fuck me…
Have I got some bad news for you about your hero Mussolini
https://primolevicenter.org/events/mussolinis-camps-civilian-internment-in-fascist-italy/
your hero Mussolini
Grow up real fast and stop this tribalist nonsense or we’re not going to have a discussion.
Hitler and mussolini were both genocidal fascists trying to establish ethnostate empires utilizing violence, oppression, and industrialized murder. That’s not tribalism. That’s “they’re the same picture”. If the choice is between the two of them, then the only ethical option is not to choose.
I suggest you learn more about these men’s history before you go cheerleading for one over the other for the sake of your dumb metaphor.
“Pick the less bad option, millions of lives depend on it.”
“OH, so if the LESS BAD option was CONSIDERABLY WORSE than it was in 2024, you’d still pick it???”
Literally yes, but that’s not contradictory to the argument of the meme - ie that THE ACTUAL PRACTICAL LIVES OF HUMAN FUCKING BEINGS IN MARGINALIZED GROUPS DEPEND ON FASCISM BEING DEFEATED, AND YOUR ONLINE STREET CRED AND STRANGE NOTION OF MAINTAINING A POLITICALLY PURE SOUL MEANS JACK SHIT IN COMPARISON
We fought to get to a position where trans people aren’t on the chopping block every fucking election and that gruesome outcome doesn’t have to occur unlike, say, in 18 fucking 60, and you want to send them back to it because it’ll make you feel good when you cast your ballot?
Fuck off with that shit.
PugJesus, voting in the 1932 German election:
“Yes, it is a shame what we have to do to what what Hitler wants to do to the German Jews. But it’s simply the greatest good for the greatest number. Sacrifices must be made. Yes, we’ll sacrifice the Jews, but in turn we’ll have greater social cohesion and the rest of German society will advance and prosper. We’ll be wealthier and happier without the Jews dragging us down. I’m sorry, it’s a tragedy, but it simply must be done. The practical lives of real human beings demand that we enact fascism. Your political purity means jack shit in comparison, we simply have to do what is in the best interest of the German people.”
Me: “Pick the less bad option against the fucking fascists.”
You: “Oh, he must be saying vote for the fascists!”
Good job. Typical of your posting throughout this thread.
Tell me more about how you’d support Hitler over the ‘imperfect’ SPD.
You could write a book about my supposed internal motivations.
Man you keep just making a variation on the same “fuck the leftists” line over and over again.
The only leftists who need to get fucked are the ones who don’t believe in harm reduction. Who don’t believe in buying time for marginalized demographics to not get murdered AND buying time for us to organize instead of offering up our necks to the fucking secret police.
The rest of them are my comrades. I want capitalism gone. I want neocolonialism abolished. I want racial and ethnic justice in this fucking country, and in the world.
I just don’t think that helping Nazis get elected is, in any way, a conscionable or helpful means of achieving any of that.
Idk man, if that’s the case I think we could all use less leftist infighting that we are known for.
Honestly it’s starting to feel hopeless. All I want to do is just die now
Yeah. I guess that raises the question of “Who offers the peace branch first?” and “In what circumstances is it offered?”
Will abstaining leftists be willing to offer a peace branch and vote for an anti-fascist candidate, even one that disagrees with their wider views, if abstaining against fascists as a moral act is normalized?
Likewise, would centrist ghouls be willing to offer a peace branch and vote for a progressive primary candidate, even one that disagrees with their wider views, if voting as a personal sacrament instead of a strategic decision remains normalized?
The fighting I’m doing here is on the actual, practical actions we need to be doing, and, specifically, the ones that are controversial here (see: nearly a thousand comments in this meme about abstaining being bad, Jesus Christ), rather than the ones that are generally accepted (like “FOR GOD’S SAKE WE NEED TO ORGANIZE A GENERAL STRIKE”, which has a much less controversial mien in this community).
Can we actually reduce infighting without addressing the issue of the willingness to compromise for strategic purposes in a still very right-wing country? Or will promises to stop fighting just mean we remain divided and isolated and pursuing different strategies which none of us are willing to ‘compromise’ our own ‘purity’ of action to support, since in this case the cessation of infighting is ‘agree to disagree’ rather than resolving the fundamental issue of being unwilling to cooperate which this meme is criticizing, leading none of our left-wing attempts to reach critical mass, so to speak, and the fascists continuing to dominate society and murder whomever they want to?
Idk man. It sounds like your not really angry at a person or an organization but a straw man you built up in your head. What your asking for is for a vague group of leftists to apologize.
I don’t give a fuck about apologies, I want this not to happen again; and considering that numerous commenters in this very comment section are openly praising abstaining in the face of literal Nazis as a moral activity and being highly upvoted for it, quite clearly not only is it not a ‘strawman’ but a real phenomenon, but prevailing opinions on this very leftist community is that it SHOULD happen again, which is a bit fucking dogshit for the millions of us who are in danger of losing our fucking lives for their masturbatory sense of purity
And I get that. But I also get not wanting to vote for someone who is willing to save you but not willing to save someone you think is also worth saving. That’s a pretty large ask of someone morally. At what point do you stop blaming the people who’s morals held them to too high a standard and start blaming the people who couldn’t meet the bar of “don’t support a genocide”.
Like, your really going to spend time,effort and soul into being mad at the guy unwilling to compromise on their morality for their own safety rather than the guys who can’t stack up to what should be an easy ask?
Just weird priorities brother. I get the harm reduction argument. I voted and whatnot. But the moment that election was over, I was way more mad at the folks who couldn’t help but declare how much they won’t budge on genocide instead of my friends and ideological comrades. At the end of the day it was those running the election who lost it.
But I also get not wanting to vote for someone who is willing to save you but not willing to save someone you think is also worth saving.
So you understand, then, why I feel disdain for these ‘leftists’ who weren’t willing to save people I think were worth saving?
At what point do you stop blaming the people who’s morals held them to too high a standard and start blaming the people who couldn’t meet the bar of “don’t support a genocide”.
Holy fucking shit
MORE THAN ONE ACTOR CAN BE GUILTY AT ONCE
Like, your really going to spend time,effort and soul into being mad at the guy unwilling to compromise on their morality for their own safety rather than the guys who can’t stack up to what should be an easy ask?
“An easy ask”
A majority of the fucking Democratic Party electorate still supports Israel.
“Just stop supporting Israel, national candidate whose hope is to win on an extremely narrow margin! It’s easy!”
Not only that, but fucking yes I’m going to be mad at the guy unwilling to compromise their own ‘morality’, and in doing so not only murder the people he claims to be doing it for (Palestinians) but also a whole host of other marginalized groups numbering in the literal fucking millions by projections in the first six months of this fucking Nazi regime, and what will probably end up in the tens of millions, if not more.
If someone’s ‘morality’ tells them to let Nazis win so they can virtue signal, their ‘morality’ isn’t worth a good goddamn, and they’re not much better than Nazis themselves.
Just weird priorities brother. I get the harm reduction argument. I voted and whatnot. But the moment that election was over, I was way more mad at the folks who couldn’t help but declare how much they won’t budge on genocide instead of my friends and ideological comrades.
See, that’s exactly the problem. You’re more interested in remaining friends and ‘comrades’ with people who enable literal Nazis, because changing your social circles would be uncomfortable. Your friends and ‘comrades’ couldn’t help but declare how much they wouldn’t budge on genocide - namely, that if they couldn’t prevent one genocide, they preferred there to be numerous genocides, and the genocide they ‘wanted’ to prevent being expanded.
This is the exact same shit that suburban liberals do with their conservative friends every time their conservative friends vote for Nazis. “Ohhh, I don’t agree with their choice, but aren’t there people more responsible???”
No one who supports Nazis is my friend. No one who supports Nazis is my comrade.
Can we actually reduce infighting without addressing the issue of the willingness to compromise for strategic purposes in a still very right-wing country?
As someone who is 100% in favor of harm reduction wherever possible, who voted for Harris despite hating practically everything about her and Biden, who agrees with you that Harris would have been better than Trump- I am sick to fucking death of hearing so called leftists blame other leftists for Trump. I don’t believe for a second that Leftists stayed at home in any significant numbers, despite what a few loud and proud online people were saying. The post election data suggest that it was mostly white, male, moderates living in the middle of the country that stayed at home compared to the previous election. And yet EVERY, SINGLE, DAY there is someone online blaming leftists for Trump.
You know what I haven’t seen even once? Anyone calling out the DNC for putting up such trash in the first place. The millions of neoliberals more interested in propping up capitalism than human rights. The millions of liberals who know that the DNC is trash but are unwilling to put any pressure on them. The racist sexist moderates who voted for Biden but not Harris because he has a penis and wasn’t brown. ALL of those groups are FAR more responsible for Trump than the handful of Leftists who stayed at home.
And did anyone even bother to question if the “Leftists” online who were the loudest about not voting were genuine? It’s not possible they were Russian bots?
We need to focus on building a coalition of EVERYONE on the left, even people who are “only vaguely leftist” and that isn’t going to happen as long as this bullshit narrative continues to divide us.
No ‘abstaining leftists’, if they exist, don’t owe you an apology, aren’t likely to give one, and you would probably would stick to this narrative regardless.
TLDR: Leftists didn’t elect Trump It’s been 9 months, drop it.
I don’t believe for a second that Leftists stayed at home in any significant numbers, despite what a few loud and proud online people were saying
As I’ve posted elsewhere in this comment thread (and can grab to post again if you like), there is data showing that former Biden nonvoters on the issue of Gaza alone, itself a very leftist and niche issue in the largely foreign-policy-apathetic US electorate, would have been enough to bring Harris to victory.
Funny enough, I initially, after the election, disbelieved this claim, and was largely disinterested in pursuing the matter. I regarded leftists, like you, as too small a group in the US to swing some two million votes. It was leftists on here crowing about how integral they were to KAMALACAUST’S defeat who showed me the poll which changed my mind.
You know what I haven’t seen even once? Anyone calling out the DNC for putting up such trash in the first place. The millions of neoliberals more interested in propping up capitalism than human rights. The millions of liberals who know that the DNC is trash but are unwilling to put any pressure on them.
… fucking what??
That’s a constant topic on here.
The racist sexist moderates who voted for Biden but not Harris because he has a penis and wasn’t brown.
That’s sometimes brought up on here, but is typically shot down by leftists as ‘lib’ talk.
And did anyone even bother to question if the “Leftists” online who were the loudest about not voting were genuine? It’s not possible they were Russian bots?
Bruh, that was also a constant topic on here, though one which always started a fight.
For my part, I doubt that many actual Russian or Russian-employed professional trolls were on here. If there’s anything 2 years on Lemmy has taught me, it’s that leftists are no smarter or more discerning than the conservatives I grew up with, or the centrist liberal neighbors I found when I moved away from my hometown.
Political allegiance makes people less vile, not less stupid, it would seem.
and can grab to post again if you like
I would appreciate that yes I’ve tried looking through your other comments and cant find it.
itself a very leftist and niche issue in the largely foreign-policy-apathetic US electorate
I don’t disagree that Americans are way too apathetic and ignorant of U.S. Foreign policy, but I don’t think it’s as niche of an issue as you think it is, nor its it regulated to the left. There are plenty of libs how are against Genocide and believe it or not a lot of ‘conservatives’ (not MAGAts) aren’t happy about it either. There has been a lot of focus on the Genocide in Palestine, and lot of people are upset by it. College students and townsfolk are doing regular protests all over the world about this issue.
I’m not sure how many people refused to vote on that one issue, (yet, if you show me reliable data I’ll have to accept it), but it suggest to me if the Media did it’s job and more people knew about what was happening in Papua New Guinea, Colombia, and Darfur people would be against those atrocities as well. Especially in cases where the U.S. government supports those regimes with material aid.
That’s sometimes brought up on here, but is typically shot down by leftists as ‘lib’ talk.
According to F.D Signifiers post election breakdown, that’s who the majority of abstainers were, and he’s not a liberal by any stretch. Although he did make a follow up video which I am just now seeing which discusses the issue with some of the data your are talking about in mind.
If there’s anything 2 years on Lemmy has taught me, it’s that leftists are no smarter or more discerning than the conservatives I grew up with, or the centrist liberal neighbors I found when I moved away from my hometown.
There’s probably some truth to that, after all we are simply human beings just like any other group, so our average intelligence is probably about the same. I would say that “Leftists” (on the whole, though there are obviously exceptions) are better informed than the average population. After all we had to fight against a 100+ year propaganda campaign to even uncover the truth about what Socialism, Anarchism, and Communism even means much less decide we agree with it. So no, we aren’t smarter, but we are less ignorant.
I just think it’s super important right now to stop pointing fingers and laying blame and try to figure out a path forward for all of us. Ideologically ‘pure’ or not, stupid or not. What I care about is human beings and our quality of life, that should be our focus.
I realize in your own way that is what your end goal is as well, I just think the way you are going about it is counterproductive.
I would appreciate that yes I’ve tried looking through your other comments and cant find it.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/harris-gaza
A YouGov poll backed by the Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU) Policy Project and released on Wednesday showed that among the 19 million people who voted for President Joe Biden in 2020 but did not vote in 2024, nearly a third named Israel’s U.S.-backed war on Gaza as a top reason for staying home.
I don’t disagree that Americans are way too apathetic and ignorant of U.S. Foreign policy, but I don’t think it’s as niche of an issue as you think it is, nor its it regulated to the left. There are plenty of libs how are against Genocide and believe it or not a lot of ‘conservatives’ (not MAGAts) aren’t happy about it either. There has been a lot of focus on the Genocide in Palestine, and lot of people are upset by it. College students and townsfolk are doing regular protests all over the world about this issue.
I really think you’re overestimating the concern of ordinary voters, and, especially, of conservatives.
College students were protesting the Gaza genocide long before 2023. It never made a dent in American public opinion. I’ll have to express skepticism that it’s a good gauge of voter sentiment, especially since, ironically, college-age students are less likely to vote than the general population.
I’m not sure how many people refused to vote on that one issue, (yet, if you show me reliable data I’ll have to accept it), but it suggest to me if the Media did it’s job and more people knew about what was happening in Papua New Guinea, Colombia, and Darfur people would be against those atrocities as well.
Man, I was watching mainstream media report on Israelis blowing the fuck out of schools and hospitals in the 2010s, and no one gave a shit. In the run-up to WW2, simply aiding the Allies against the literal fucking Nazis was deeply controversial in the American electorate.
Foreign policy is not a high priority for most people until it effects them, not even for literal genocide.
So no, we aren’t smarter, but we are less ignorant.
Man, considering how many people on here I’ve seen abandon ‘traditional’ narratives that happen to be correct for literal Soviet-era disinformation, not really sure about that. Abandoning old lies doesn’t mean much for the state of one’s ignorance if you abandon old truths as well and adopt new lies.
Will abstaining leftists be willing to offer a peace branch and vote for an anti-fascist candidate, even one that disagrees with their wider views,
You mean just like we have for decades now? Yeah, we might just do that. It sure as fuck isn’t going to be the neoliberals who can’t even bring themselves to endorse the Democratic candidate for NY mayor.
Abstaining leftists didn’t change the outcome, apathetic Americans did. And why are Americans apathetic? One look at the Democratic establishment makes that crystal clear.
Ah, this Pug Jesus. Always angry at leftists showing they’re just Republican lite. Got it.
Still campaigning against the anti-fascist coalition in the hopes of speeding the fascists to victory, I see. I guess getting Trump into power wasn’t enough - you want to make sure that he stays there.
Yeah the Democrats caused Trump. Nice try buddy. When Dems win, “we don’t need the left!” and when they lose “It’s all the lefts fault!”
Keep trying
Dems need the left, and the left has no option but the Dems. Sorry that I’m not the centrist Pelosi-worshipper you want to paint me as. I’m just someone who prefers anti-fascism to fascism, unlike you.
Where have I said I’m fascist? Because I criticize Dems? A dog shit party that did nothing to stop Trump?
A dog shit party that did nothing to stop Trump?
Out of curiosity: what would you want them do?
Where have I said I’m fascist?
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize self-identifying as a fascist was how one defined a fascist. I guess you don’t define most of the Republican party as fascists either - unsurprising considering your blasé attitude towards helping them into power. :)
Maybe it’s time to log off for a bit and get some fresh air?
When asked what Kamala’s opinion was about Trans people and protections, all she said is “they should follow the law”.
The fuck is that non answer
That’s not what was said. Harris’s answer was insufficient, but she said that she would follow the law while citing that the law mandates access to gender-affirming care.
It’s insufficient, but it’s also not what the literal fucking Nazis were salivating about at the time.
She was trying to coddle the right /centrist by not saying she’ll prosecute them, but also not saying they should have rights either.
but also not saying they should have rights either.
I fucking hate this site.
That is what went over the line for you? what?
Just another ridiculous statement after dealing with, in many other comment threads, other ridiculous statements. Straws, camels, backs, etc. Especially from someone who doesn’t seem particularly ‘bad’ in their outlook. Hit like a brick of frustration.
I fucking hate this site.
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log off 🥰
And let pro-genocide ghouls spread your slop in the hopes of getting as many minorities murdered as possible?
Not only that, but the majority of those posts and comments are on non-political comms, where the ghoul brigade doesn’t come out to lick fascist boots and talk about how minorities deserve to die because the DNC didn’t entertain them enough.
You sound genuinely unwell. Be in community, it will do you good.
You sound genuinely unwell.
I didn’t realize your criteria for being unwell was “Not enjoying Nazis”. I suppose that says a lot about what you think of as ‘well’, though.
Maybe try logging off, I had a great day outside today.
LoL i get it, but it’s not all of us XD
Yeah. Just a loud minority of genuine ghouls, and then probably a plurality of people who are well-meaning and probably have good values (like the above poster) but sometimes regurgitate the irritating disinformation talking points of the former.
Folks, OP is a well known anti-socialist who routinely creates messy drama. Nothing to see here, move along.
They do also post quite a lot of nice historical content, which I quite appreciate. Maybe go enjoy that.
I’ll bet more people didn’t show up for Harris because their favorite video game had an update on election day. We don’t see these shit memes shaming them, only the people who are against genocide.
“Anti-socialism is when you don’t want fascism”?
Come the fuck on.
What positions do you think I’ve taken that are anti-socialist? Fuck’s sake, one of the comms I run cites Marx and Kropotkin in the sidebar as recommendations for introductions to leftist theory.
For a supposed socialist, you sure spend a lot of your time screaming about them.
Let’s be real, here: if you were a CIA plant paid to create divisions in the leftist community, how would your actions be any different? At some point you may want to consider doing something other than just repeatedly airing your grievances about something that is already done.
Let’s be real, here: if you were a CIA plant paid to create divisions in the leftist community, how would your actions be any different?
Uh, I’d probably pick a very specific subset of leftist thought, engage in a great deal of doublespeak regarding “reformists”, “wreckers”, and “CIA plants” while simultaneously extolling the virtues of a “united front”, do everything I could to prevent unity with larger left movements, encourage attacking major left figures for being insufficiently pure, peddle grotesque denials of historical fact in order to drive a wedge between even leftists of the same schools of thought based on whether they want to acknowledge past crimes of various states, inflame both pro-and-anti-LGBT dogmatic sentiment in order to exploit divisions between progressive leftists (“No one who deviates from MY specific policy proposals on LGBT folk is an ally, and thus is a class traitor”) and reactionaries (“LGBT rights are a krakkker colonialist imposition on the third world”), and exacerbate existing splits by encouraging both sides to see their differences not as a matter of policy but of irreconcilable value differences?
As someone who claims to be only vaguely leftist because of a lack of attachment to specific forms of thought other than a generalized notion that capitalism needs to die (the sooner the better), supports everyone who isn’t a genocide-denying ML, acknowledges that in times of crisis - such as against literal Nazis - even MLs must be cooperated with if they are willing, supports major left politicians from Corbyn to AOC to Mamdani to Lula despite personal disagreements, acknowledges historical facts that are both pro-socialist and proto-socialist (“Anarchist Catalonia established a functioning socialist society even in the middle of a brutal civil war while fighting off fascists quite effectively! Let’s talk about the Levellers in the English Civil War!”) as well as historical wrongs (“The Red Terror is absolutely an example of brutality that can happen when people are agitated but not given reason to restrain themselves from committing arbitrary detentions and murders which contradict the core values of leftism”) and curiosities (“Socialist Labour dominated Israeli politics for the first ~30 years of its existence, despite their even-then-ongoing project of genocide”), and who criticizes non-MLs primarily for their proposed actions and strategies (like ‘let the fascists win’) rather than their values or desired policies, I suspect I’m not CIA material.
About the only things that I’ve got for “splitter” material is that I’m combative, self-righteous, and personally abrasive. And if that’s all it takes to qualify as a CIA plant, there must be a lot of CIA plants in these constantly-infighting leftist spaces.
Let’s be real, here: if you were a CIA plant paid to create divisions in the leftist community, how would your actions be any different?
I’d say that about tankies discouraging voting.
I feel like takes like this come from people with no long term memory. Do you remember the pro-palestinian crowd begging Kamala Harris to even pretend like she’d do something to help? And she basically told them to vote for Trump? Blame the Democratic party for choosing to be fascism-light instead of actual resistance.
I feel like takes like this come from people with no long term memory.
Christ. How ironic.
I spent about a minute trying to figure out whatever the fuck you’re talking about and it was a big waste of time
Christ. How pointless as usual.
Multiple people are at fault
- Republicans for being literal Nazis
- Democrats for selling their souls to AIPAC and ignoring their constituents
- Protest voters for not seeing Trump as enough of a threat
- The two party system for allowing this to happen in the first place
- Billionaires for funding a literal Nazi
- The Israeli government for waves hands
As someone who had to leave behind everything and flee the US for safety (2025 was lining up to be a damn good year dammit), I am furious at all of the above
That’s mostly fair, but “protest voters” still didn’t throw the election. If you added all third party votes to Democrats instead, you’d still have a trump presidency. This is after Harris ran a very right-wing campaign. They bet hard on Zionism, “border security” and military strength and they lost, partly because Trump can do all those things “better”(worse).
We might not have lost the House and Senate though, in addition to other smaller local races. Stop trying to absolve them.
Feel free to do the math yourself then. But I don’t mind absolving them. They didn’t vote for Trump, and they exist in a terrible two party system that makes them choose between fascists. They literally did not cause this. So shut the fuck up. I don’t want to hear criticism of third party voters from anyone who hasn’t given 10x that criticism of everyone else on your list.
Firstly, you assume I don’t criticize others when my original post straight up does. That is a very false assumption. Secondly, you are only absolving them because you are in a position of privilege to do so. Until you’ve also had to uproot your life, tell your loved ones goodbye, and flee your home because of an existential threat, you have absolutely ZERO right to police my voice on this. With all due respect, fuck off.
I will not be responding further
Ya again, I need 10x the smoke for Republicans and Democrat politicians. Not just a mention. People voting for a better candidate are not the issue. I’m glad you won’t be responding cause this level of stupidity is draining.
And you still haven’t backed up your claim that third party voters had a significant sway on the election.
As a trans person, you can suck my girl dick. I am not a cudgel to be used by shitty libs to sheepdog votes for their nonexistent policy.
Trans rights keep being eroded, regardless of who is in power, because the Democratic Party isn’t doing anything to preserve them.
Trans rights keep being eroded, regardless of who is in power, because the Democratic Party isn’t doing anything to preserve them.
… would you like to outline where trans rights were in 2024 in comparison to where they were in 1990, and also inform me which parties were in power in the intervening years?
Dems being insufficient and Dems being backsliders are two entirely different concepts. Dems are absolutely insufficiently supportive of trans rights. Dem politicians are also the primary vehicle through which trans rights have been encoded into law.
Saying “Dem politicians” are the reason trans rights were encoded into law strips trans people of our political agency. You’re effectively saying the quiet part out loud by denying us political agency, or even a role in our own political history.
Trans rights have been fought and won over decades, long before 1990, by trans people. Often outside of traditional political, not to mention medical, avenues. The Democratic Party, as an institution, only picked up on encoding those rights into law, when there was the pressure and inertia was such that it was beneficial to their coalition to do so.
In 2024, when that coalition was proven to have collapsed, in large part because of the additude you’re taking here, trans people were some of the first to be thrown under the bus and blamed.
Saying “Dem politicians” are the reason trans rights were encoded into law strips trans people of our political agency. You’re effectively saying the quiet part out loud by denying us political agency, or even a role in our own political history.
… tell me again, who encoded trans rights into law, if not Dem politicians?
You… you do realize things that are encoded into law are, by definition, done by politicians in essentially all cases except ballot initiatives, right?
… right…?
For that matter, you do realize that many trans folk, both historically and contemporarily, have been Dem activists and politicians, precisely because the Dems have been much more ameniable to enshrining trans rights into law, and thus an easier vehicle to do so with? Would you… would you like to remind me, of the parties “Republican”, “Democrat”, and “None”, which does the only current trans Congresswoman belong to?
Trans rights have been fought and won over decades, long before 1990, by trans people. Often outside of traditional political, not to mention medical, avenues. The Democratic Party, as an institution, only picked up on encoding those rights into law, when there was the pressure and inertia was such that it was beneficial to their coalition to do so.
… yes…? That’s… that’s how democracies work…?
In 2024, when that coalition was proven to have collapsed, in large part because of the additude you’re taking here,
So when the coalition ‘collapses’, losing by the massive amount of [checks notes] 1% after millions of people who previously voted decided that abstaining out of purity politics interested them in a time of conveniently-high propaganda, it’s because… people like me wanted them to NOT abstain out of purity politics?
trans people were some of the first to be thrown under the bus and blamed.
Some Dem ghouls have tried to blame trans folk. The vast majority of Dems, even careerist ghouls, still support trans rights.
This is such a tired narrative. You guys really want to focus on the leftists when half the country voted for an authoritarian?
Every movement has its radical fringe. Virtue signaling either your ideological purity or your solidarity with the only viable opposition are equally feeble attempts at clinging to a notion of victory in the face of total defeat.
EDIT: I wasn’t expecting this comment to generate discussion but since it did, let me elaborate on what I meant by “total defeat.” The defeat is not an electoral loss, it’s the fact that we have relinquished so much political power that all we have left is voting for one of a set of compromised politicians every few years. It’s a tired argument because it assumes that it’s possible to vote our way out of the mess we’re in, and it simply isn’t. We need to attack the point of production because it’s where the ruling class derives its power. And arguing about our sham elections is getting us nowhere.
This is such a tired narrative. You guys really want to focus on the leftists when half the country voted for an authoritarian?
Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds
see now this is doing the same room temp IQ shit as fugjesus
Not All Leftists: are anti-DNC purity non-voters
Not All Liberals: are the MLK “white moderate” type who will vote Republican if lefties are mean to them
Sure, that might be true of individuals but that phrase, or at least variants of it (ie. “The Social Democrats are The Left-Wing of Fascism”), have existed since the rise of the Nazis.
The idea being that liberal institutions will sooner do the work of fascism by punching left, rather than making common cause to fight fascism. And this meme isn’t helping that perception by punching left.
Phrases existing does not mean there is truth, just that there is an aspect that feels true, look at all the people that have adopted “hard men create good times” etc as a mantra.
I don’t think making hostile comments (saying all libs are fascists) is productive at all, and obviously individuals are not responsible for entire institutions, or even other people that share their principles but are also assholes.
This is a bad metaphor. I agree harm reduction helps, but Democrats are not owed a vote and the obsession with blaming what is apparently a small minority of voters or the sole reason Democrats lost depending what is convenient, is truly damning of liberals.
If libs put half the effort into courting leftists they do in blaming leftists perhaps they’d win. Instead a group of people who would by and left never vote for a dem anyway, didn’t vote for them.
This is the bed they made and now they want to blame everyone else for shitting their pants.
but Democrats are not owed a vote
I’m so glad you decided that Blue Circus wasn’t OWED your vote, so letting minorities be genocided is an okay consequences you’re willing to live with.
The bottom line is the left has a problem with members who choose their own moral superiority over the wellbeing of the nation and themselves.
That’s a problem that needs to be talked about.
Someday some country will vote to bomb your loved ones
You have to understand, the other guy was worst.
Anyway here’s your daughter corpse lmao (well what’s left of it, white phosphorus is no joke)
To be fair it sounds like OP feels betrayed, and is kinda scared about ending up in a death camp (and it’s insane they have a legitimate fear about that, wtf USA?!). It’s easy to point at nazis and say it’s their fault (it is), but they weren’t your allies in the first place and didn’t betray you, they said they’d throw you in the death camp. Your allies were the ones that could have saved you… and it looks like they chose not to. I’d be raging too
OP is a Democrat stooge. Look at comment history.
OP could be a bot and it doesn’t still negate the point. I can imagine there’s plenty of people affected who probably feel something along the lines
Yeah I think I get it, betrayal is a strong emotion. But now instead of realizing who their real enemies are (their class antagonists), they’re doubling down on fighting about election results.
Oh for sure, it’s not fruitful at all. But it is understandably human nonetheless, I doubt anyone being taken by the fascists care much about the difference between people who voted for them to be able to do it and those who didn’t vote to prevent it
I’m a Democrat stooge too because
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I’ve reviewed their voting history.
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I’ve reviewed their criminal conviction history compared to Republicans.
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I’ve been around long enough to know they occasionally get significant wins for middle/lower class Americans.
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I know the alternative is fascism.
3rd parties are not viable and won’t be anytime in the foreseeable future. This isn’t a hard decision if you’re in the middle/lower classes. So yeah, I’m going to simp for the party that is WAY better for me and everyone I know instead of pretending there’s some other magical option to hold out for.
Someday some country will vote to bomb your loved ones
You have to understand, the other guy was the worst.
Anyway here’s your daughter corpse lmao
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The dems are literally rolling over for fascism. They are complicit.
Dems are at least as authoritarian as Repubs. It’s only not “fascism” because they’re suppodly left. I’m anti authoritarian and I’m dreading seeing how Dems build on Trump’s precedents. They’re just going to go even harder.
Tankies telling people to not vote is rolling over for fascism.
So everyone who tells people not to vote is a tankie? Real nuanced thinking you’re doing there. I’m happy you found a fun word to use as shorthand for “people I disagree with”, but maybe try to actually understand the people you’re throwing it at first, you tankie
You are miss-reading what I said. I am empathetic to socialists, but tankies are strategically abandoning elections and leaving us more vulnerable. This only helps the alt right; hence a rolling over for fascism.
Fascism is not a break from the previous administration, but a continuation.
Libs are still crying about their loss of power, still doing nothing to resist.
Fascism is not a break from the previous administration, but a continuation.
Average privileged ‘leftist’ Nazi supporter.
I can’t find any news story about camps opening up for trans people, is this just random meming or is there substance to the claim?
Delusional lib cope. They want more camps so their fash team will “win” next time.
Just started interneting today and this is probably the dumbest comment I’ll come across.
“But wait, there’s more!”
It’s a valid concern moving forward.
The Republican party has made a HARD turn toward fascism. No marginalized group is safe from fascism. Unchecked, I absolutely believe conservatives would be onboard with camps for trans people. They’ve happily waltzed past every red line so far.
Jizz those leopards are really eating my face. So sad 😓 I voted to throw them them the arabs, I wasn’t planning to face them myself
So in other words, “we have the fucking camps opening” is not true (with regards to trans people).
We can all extrapolate into the future from current events and see where things are heading, but @Rekorse was asking about the present.
Edit: can’t believe I’m getting downvoted here, really curious if one of you downvoters would tell me what about this comment is problematic.
The camps that are being referred to are the concentration camps that are being opened to house immigrants. Most of these are people that were legal immigrants, but people that the Trump administration has turned in to illegal immigrants.
yes, that’s true. This is why I said “with regards to trans people.”
That’s a legitimate question. Alligator Auschwitz has opened for immigrants. Mostly it’s a warning that concentration camps are opening, and that the targeting of trans people means that they are in serious danger of being one of the next demographics to be sent.
Just like the Nazi concentration camps did not begin with mass deportations of Jews, so too is the case here.
