Right wing idiots are literally crying “hate speech” when people respond to their “our sweet Jesus-loving Charlie who wanted peace and love and ponies and the evil leftists killed him” with quotes of him being a horrible piece of shit. This is aside from him being killed for his words, they’re trying to say his words were good and lashing out at irrefutable evidence to the contrary.
It is the logic. It’s not the only logic happening, but it is the logic here.
So I agree a lot of different things are being said with varying degrees of hoops and I most mostly agree with you. There is a lot of stupid out there.
But the above isn’t one of them. The meme ain’t great.
The guy justified school shootings by saying a few gun deaths are a worthwhile cost for gun rights. People are quoting him saying that to point out that it’s pretty hypocritical to get upset when Mr. “School shootings are acceptable actually” gets shot at a school.
If pointing out that hypocrisy is hate speech, then the original quote is absolutely hate speech.
Executions of the right need to be celebrated, because they won’t receive justice any other way.
I understand this feeling, but by going this route you are playing right into their plans and helping them consolidate their power. All rightism, all authoritarianism, is built around fear. They make their followers fear the out-groups, irrationally at first. That fear is used to perpetuate political violence against the out-groups, and any resistance as used as evidence against them. This fear radicalizes the followers, encouraging them to commit violence, which is again blamed on the out-group victims. Eventually, we reach a Turning Point where outrage can no longer be contained, and it does not matter which side does what, because all violence is the fault of the out-group. We now teeter on that Turning Point, and celebrating Kirks execution feeds the machine the fascists have built.
Unfortunately, people are being targeted not for celebrating his death or violence, but for merely decrying the lionization of that vile, neo-nazi fascist with his own quotes. Still, oppression of the out groups breeds desperation, which drives them to desperate measures, and the right act of desperation is all the excuse the fascists need. If not that, then a crackdown on protestors that they can turn ugly.
Better to play smart and not feed into their plans. At the very least it buys time that can save lives.
But you see the difference in what you are saying right? I’m not casting judgement or arguing that. You are certainly owning your opinion, the above passes the buck with some false equivalency.
Personally, I do not think hate speech has any protections… so all the hot garbage Kirk used to spew does not count as speech… he was constantly attacking people and inciting violence which eventually caught up to him
Ranking free speech above tolerance is what causes this. He didn’t tolerate others, he actively argued that people, including children, should die for various terrible reasons. He broke the social contract. He was no longer entitled to tolerance or protection from being killed. You lose that protection the second you say someone else should be killed because of who they were born as.
This free speech supremacy nonsense is garbage. White supremacists should not be tolerated in civil society. People who advocate for others to die (based on who they were born) deserve people advocating for and pursuing their death in return as self defense. You don’t get to get away with stochastic terrorism then pretend you didn’t do anything wrong.
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Right wing idiots are literally crying “hate speech” when people respond to their “our sweet Jesus-loving Charlie who wanted peace and love and ponies and the evil leftists killed him” with quotes of him being a horrible piece of shit. This is aside from him being killed for his words, they’re trying to say his words were good and lashing out at irrefutable evidence to the contrary.
It is the logic. It’s not the only logic happening, but it is the logic here.
So I agree a lot of different things are being said with varying degrees of hoops and I most mostly agree with you. There is a lot of stupid out there.
But the above isn’t one of them. The meme ain’t great.
The guy justified school shootings by saying a few gun deaths are a worthwhile cost for gun rights. People are quoting him saying that to point out that it’s pretty hypocritical to get upset when Mr. “School shootings are acceptable actually” gets shot at a school.
If pointing out that hypocrisy is hate speech, then the original quote is absolutely hate speech.
America has a pedophile rapist who has committed murder by proxy for a leader.
The rule of law is gone. Executions of the right need to be celebrated, because they won’t receive justice any other way.
I understand this feeling, but by going this route you are playing right into their plans and helping them consolidate their power. All rightism, all authoritarianism, is built around fear. They make their followers fear the out-groups, irrationally at first. That fear is used to perpetuate political violence against the out-groups, and any resistance as used as evidence against them. This fear radicalizes the followers, encouraging them to commit violence, which is again blamed on the out-group victims. Eventually, we reach a Turning Point where outrage can no longer be contained, and it does not matter which side does what, because all violence is the fault of the out-group. We now teeter on that Turning Point, and celebrating Kirks execution feeds the machine the fascists have built.
Unfortunately, people are being targeted not for celebrating his death or violence, but for merely decrying the lionization of that vile, neo-nazi fascist with his own quotes. Still, oppression of the out groups breeds desperation, which drives them to desperate measures, and the right act of desperation is all the excuse the fascists need. If not that, then a crackdown on protestors that they can turn ugly.
Better to play smart and not feed into their plans. At the very least it buys time that can save lives.
But you see the difference in what you are saying right? I’m not casting judgement or arguing that. You are certainly owning your opinion, the above passes the buck with some false equivalency.
The “system” has been rigged for a very long time. This current iteration just seems louder because we’ve had a relatively short lull in it
Personally, I do not think hate speech has any protections… so all the hot garbage Kirk used to spew does not count as speech… he was constantly attacking people and inciting violence which eventually caught up to him
It absolutely does. You cannot even murder them for inciting violence. It’s a prison term.
I’m not passing any moral judgment here. But understand what you’re saying. That would be illegal and their hate speech is absolutely protected.
right you are, I didn’t phrase it right. I meant to convey that I would grant no protection to hate speech, not that none exists
I agree with you here, and I’m struggling because it leads me to the tolerance paradox.
Ranking free speech above tolerance is what causes this. He didn’t tolerate others, he actively argued that people, including children, should die for various terrible reasons. He broke the social contract. He was no longer entitled to tolerance or protection from being killed. You lose that protection the second you say someone else should be killed because of who they were born as.
This free speech supremacy nonsense is garbage. White supremacists should not be tolerated in civil society. People who advocate for others to die (based on who they were born) deserve people advocating for and pursuing their death in return as self defense. You don’t get to get away with stochastic terrorism then pretend you didn’t do anything wrong.