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I don’t think so. That’s what a lot of people were speculating. But seems like he mostly grew up in a MAGA family, but was queer himself, so a bit alienated from the MAGA movement due to the homophobia within it and mostly stayed out of talking about politics with his friends. Seems like he mostly just saw Kirk as a danger to himself and those he loved because of Kirk doing things like promoting violence against queer people.
Source claiming Tyler was bisexual. Obviously not definitive evidence, but its not like they can do a blood test and prove his sexuality or something - they best you are likely to get is his friends saying he was or was not.
I wasn’t referencing him dating someone who is allegedly trans, since a man dating a woman wouldn’t be evidence of not being an allocishet. OTOH, if his lover is not trans, then it would be evidence that he isn’t straight.
Or may be Maga. Or may be both.
Now I’m confused as the next person but seeing as how I don’t identify as either, I for one are as grateful AF.
As are most of the people I know that are saying Holy S—t, WTF?
I’m glad i said it earlier & got it out of my system.
The confusion of the current state of madness should be felt by all. Therefore, God (Or no god if one prefers, that’s super ok too!) help us all.
Where do we choose to go next?
I reckon we’ll see.
Ok but where is a source reporting this? My googling is getting me Reddit or other right wing forum comments, or news articles repeating those comments as “sources”. Is it all just baseless speculation right now?
Oh I see, thanks for the clarification. I thought perhaps someone went around and interviewed people who knew the shooter and that’s what the “allegedly” was for (2nd hand but somewhat verified), since there’s so much information about the family out there too. My bad for the misinterpretation.
We have text messages between the shooter and the roommate. If you want to call those fake, that’s your right, but that’s going to be a major piece of evidence in the trial.
In the texts from the indictment, the shooter says:
I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.
The shooter also calls the roommate “my love”. There are some friends, neighbors, acquaintances corroborating that they were in a relationship.
The roommate’s gender identity isn’t 100% clear. There seems to be some evidence from social media accounts that they’re trans.
I don’t think you can call this shooter “far right”. Not clear that he’s a groyper in my opinion. The Discord messages are pretty milquetoast. I certainly wouldn’t call him a leftist either. Seems he was (more than) okay with LGBTQ folks, but that doesn’t tell you much about his broader views.
I’m not calling anything fake or a conspiracy, I’ve just been seeing a lot of people discussing things as facts and when I ask for firsthand sources (ie. the text messages you describe) they say they have personally don’t have one, someone just told them about it.
The OP provided a link for me though, so I was able to go through them myself as well. Your comment was also illuminating, thanks!
That means he is in a queer relationship, but not that he is queer. I suppose that doesn’t matter to conservatives either way.
Also that info is incredibly sus and sounds fake af. The way the fbi director talks is sus, as he clearly isn’t all that competent and keeps bragging about how quickly they could release info, which is not how investigations work.
Grindr always reports a spike in usage whenever the RNC convenes. Being gay or in a queer relationship sadly doesn’t mean that the person isn’t far right. They might just be self-loathing.
I might’ve misunderstood? I thought you meant I had said this, or supported this claim.
But yes as far as I can tell there’s not much to suggest a strong political alignment of any kind. I don’t know what info we can trust that has been provided. If we take their statements at face value he was in a relationship with a trans person and found kirk hateful. He engraved memes from a video game on his bullets and shot this guy.
There were also some weird statements about his actions while running after shooting which confuse me, but it’s not something I’ve read all that much about.
Oh then yes, we agree – there’s nothing of substance to support really any claims about his ideology whatsoever. The focus should not be on which “side” he was on regardless, but we’re way past that level of rationality.
I don’t think so. That’s what a lot of people were speculating. But seems like he mostly grew up in a MAGA family, but was queer himself, so a bit alienated from the MAGA movement due to the homophobia within it and mostly stayed out of talking about politics with his friends. Seems like he mostly just saw Kirk as a danger to himself and those he loved because of Kirk doing things like promoting violence against queer people.
Source that he was queer?
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie
Source claiming Tyler was bisexual. Obviously not definitive evidence, but its not like they can do a blood test and prove his sexuality or something - they best you are likely to get is his friends saying he was or was not.
I wasn’t referencing him dating someone who is allegedly trans, since a man dating a woman wouldn’t be evidence of not being an allocishet. OTOH, if his lover is not trans, then it would be evidence that he isn’t straight.
Yeah, this is what I was looking for, not random comments that go through different filters. Google was giving me speculation garbage. Thank you!
He was allegedly in a relationship with his roommate, who may be trans.
Or may be Maga. Or may be both. Now I’m confused as the next person but seeing as how I don’t identify as either, I for one are as grateful AF. As are most of the people I know that are saying Holy S—t, WTF? I’m glad i said it earlier & got it out of my system. The confusion of the current state of madness should be felt by all. Therefore, God (Or no god if one prefers, that’s super ok too!) help us all. Where do we choose to go next? I reckon we’ll see.
Ok but where is a source reporting this? My googling is getting me Reddit or other right wing forum comments, or news articles repeating those comments as “sources”. Is it all just baseless speculation right now?
Yeah, that’s why I used “allegedly”, because these claims are very shaky and hard to prove one way or the other. A lot of it seems fabricated to me.
Oh I see, thanks for the clarification. I thought perhaps someone went around and interviewed people who knew the shooter and that’s what the “allegedly” was for (2nd hand but somewhat verified), since there’s so much information about the family out there too. My bad for the misinterpretation.
We have text messages between the shooter and the roommate. If you want to call those fake, that’s your right, but that’s going to be a major piece of evidence in the trial.
In the texts from the indictment, the shooter says:
The shooter also calls the roommate “my love”. There are some friends, neighbors, acquaintances corroborating that they were in a relationship.
The roommate’s gender identity isn’t 100% clear. There seems to be some evidence from social media accounts that they’re trans.
I don’t think you can call this shooter “far right”. Not clear that he’s a groyper in my opinion. The Discord messages are pretty milquetoast. I certainly wouldn’t call him a leftist either. Seems he was (more than) okay with LGBTQ folks, but that doesn’t tell you much about his broader views.
I’m not calling anything fake or a conspiracy, I’ve just been seeing a lot of people discussing things as facts and when I ask for firsthand sources (ie. the text messages you describe) they say they have personally don’t have one, someone just told them about it.
The OP provided a link for me though, so I was able to go through them myself as well. Your comment was also illuminating, thanks!
The same people hiding the pedos? OK I guess…
That means he is in a queer relationship, but not that he is queer. I suppose that doesn’t matter to conservatives either way.
Also that info is incredibly sus and sounds fake af. The way the fbi director talks is sus, as he clearly isn’t all that competent and keeps bragging about how quickly they could release info, which is not how investigations work.
The same people who provided this as “evidence” of the ICE shooters ideology.
Sure, but that certainly lowers the likelihood that he’s a far-right Kirk-hater, no?
Grindr always reports a spike in usage whenever the RNC convenes. Being gay or in a queer relationship sadly doesn’t mean that the person isn’t far right. They might just be self-loathing.
Only if true
Obviously. But same goes for the accusations that he’s far-right – of which there doesn’t really seem to be anything to go off.
I might’ve misunderstood? I thought you meant I had said this, or supported this claim.
But yes as far as I can tell there’s not much to suggest a strong political alignment of any kind. I don’t know what info we can trust that has been provided. If we take their statements at face value he was in a relationship with a trans person and found kirk hateful. He engraved memes from a video game on his bullets and shot this guy.
There were also some weird statements about his actions while running after shooting which confuse me, but it’s not something I’ve read all that much about.
Oh then yes, we agree – there’s nothing of substance to support really any claims about his ideology whatsoever. The focus should not be on which “side” he was on regardless, but we’re way past that level of rationality.
I make no claims as to why he did what he did. If he is the one that did it, I dunno.
Okay, but that’s the thread we’re in.