• алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    11 months ago

    pls don’t let all the liberal downvoting discourage you. posts like this are more than welcome here <3

    If Harris were actually leftwing, she’d pull that lever instantly, burn NATO to the ground, crush Isn’treal and many other based things

    but alas, she is just the “good” cop of the bourgeoisie

    (which essentially just means slapping BLM, LGBT and “feminist” stickers onto the bombs she drops wherever Wall Street requires it)

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      11 months ago

      thanks, much appreciated. It’s very stark contrast to the real life discussions where they are mostly furious at harris & dnc. most of the time we are infact discussing that sanders, aoc and warren should create a new party as dnc has become beyond repair. they can definitely crowdfund the support like in 2016.

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        11 months ago

        unfortunately neither Sanders, AOC, nor Warren are real solutions and never will be the solution. They mostly pay lip service to progressive causes but then actually support atrocities like the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia (in Sanders’ case).

        their job seems to be to “capture” progressive support and then endorce the reactionary candidates they actually plan on pushing. And even if they were to come to power, the best case is a renewal of capitalism so that it may exist another year/decade/century

        as the DNC has become beyond repair

        that is the case with the whole of the USA, it’s beyond repair and in dire need of abolition if humanity is to have a future. Bourgeois “democracy” is inherently designed to halt real progress and to preserve the private (not personal!) property of the rich and the economic system that makes it possible in the first place (capitalism).

        One viable future would be a socialist council democracy as one of the few true solutions

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            Oh hi, I’m not that well informed about Mamdani, but to me it seems like there are two possible trajectories to his career:

            1. He becomes the next Sanders/AOC, spineless and reactionary Democrat wearing the corpse of progressiveness
            2. He will stay true to his principles akin to someone like Jerry Corbyn and hold the least harmful position one can hold in such a reactionary party as the Dems (or Labour). Maybe he will even make it to leadership positions, but then he is destined to get the Corbyn treatment of a shitstorm of smear campaigns…

            Still even Corbyn would never threaten capitalism, but he was pushing for what Labour once was, before full on neoliberalism/the third way

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          11 months ago

          that’s the dream. but for now leaders like aoc, sanders are acceptable. someone like harris is not who just want to be slightly left of trump.

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      11 months ago

      i’m an anarchist, but i’m also polish, and we kinda need NATO right now, with the whole Russia thing at our doorstep. i know it’s not ideal, but fuck, not many other options out there and i do enjoy not being forcibly drafted to war

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        11 months ago

        your bourgeois state needs NATO, not the working ppl living in Poland

        In an inter-imperialist war, shouldn’t socialists from an outside country support neither side and shouldn’t socialists from a country participating in said war employ revolutionary defeatism towards “their own” bourgeois state?

        the answer to a regional imperialist power is not the largest imperialist block in the history of humanity(!)

        after all, a socialist has no country and belongs to no nation. just like working ppl everywhere

        EDIT: cmiw but isn’t supporting one bourgeois state over another and thinking of it as “one’s own” contrary to anarchist thought?

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          being an anarchist (or a working person) doesn’t particularly help with not being forcibly drafted, and neither would Putin care if i told his goons “hey can you not bomb me and my family, you see, i’m an anarchist and this is not my war :)”

          like i get the theory of what you’re saying, but the practice is a bit less wordy and more- bomby. is NATO my ideal version of reality? no, of course not. am i glad it’s a thing as someone living in poland? fuck yes i am. i can’t really work towards helping people realise capitalism bad if i’m dead

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            11 months ago

            this is not supposed to be a “gotcha” or anything like that

            I’d just like to make you aware that in the sense of preventing invasion from the RF, NATO is kinda redundant, since the EU has a mutual defence clause that would trigger in such a case

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      11 months ago

      I don’t think I am understanding this right. I thought liberals would be generally against big evil companies doing big evil stuff and big evil rich people doing the same.

      Am I wrong in this?

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        11 months ago

        Liberals don’t rly care about that systemically or rather they only end up paying lip service to those issues instead of wanting to tackle the problems at it’s root (and that is ripping out the system that is capitalism)

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        The left wing is against big private companies. Liberals are all about capitalism and the free market. These two ideology often get mistaken for each other, even though they actually oppose each other.

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    11 months ago

    If you are an American and not a Harris votes, what do you expect will happen to political power in the next year?

    Are peacefully voting against a dictator, general strikes and forcefully guillotining the bourgeoisie all mutually exclusive?

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    11 months ago

    It’s not a trolley problem if you aren’t given a choice to pull the lever. There is no viable candidate who fights against super pacs.

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      11 months ago

      and there never will be if we keep voting for them if on face of genocide and current inflation.

      they compromised bernie in 2016 then blocked warren as vp in 2020. bernie actually showed its more than viable to have a candidate not beholden to superpacs. there has to be a minimum qualification for an acceptable policy and current sham is way below it.

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        11 months ago

        Wrong. The only viable way to fix this is to vote for Kamala today to avoid further genocide, and then for candidates who support RCV in all the downballot elections. That builds support for a proper election format at a local, then state, then national level.

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          11 months ago

          why would she shy away from any genocide when she gets the votes after officially confirming that she is going to continue it. that’s some wishful thinking.