I feel bad for a lot of people who don’t want violence.
I don’t want it either, but they’re backing us into a corner. There have been many, many attempts at settling this peacefully, and it just hasn’t happened yet.
As Churchill said, you can’t reason with a lion while your head is in its mouth.
You can all talk politics, but Arson Rabbit is my new hero.
Based on the voter turnout in the last US Federal election, I would say you COULD have made the system better (or at least not immeasurably worse) by voting.
Folks just chose not to.
It wouldn’t have made the system better. It would have delayed people from making the system worse.
Which means more time to make it better. I would rather have things fall apart in pieces instead of collapsing as a whole
that is a nonsense statement that doesn’t fucking mean anything.
So you’re telling me you’d rather your entire house fall to dust, than for parts of your house to fall apart over time so you have time to build it up better? That’s a really weird take.
You’re ignoring the part where building it up better cannot be and never has been accomplished by voting
You can do all those things and also vote. So vote. Sure, votes won’t make the system better, but you can make it harder for the fascists to get away with shit while you organize. Vote.
Voting is fine as long as you are aware that it does nothing to materially prevent fascism. It can’t hurt anything to write something on a piece of paper. But the problem isnt really people like you. Its liberals who believe that voting is the be all end all of their political responsibility.
Electoral democracy is ultimately a misdirection. Capitalists are the actual sources of political power in western democracies. They unfortunately have a vested interest in the state getting more fascist and actually have the power to effect that change. So long as everyone looks down at the ballot box and then goes home to do nothing of material difference for the next 4 years, fascists will only continue to gain ground until they can do away with the misdirection of electoralism entirely.
Voting cannot be the only thing you do. Or you are effectively doing nothing. Which you seem to understand, but liberals do not. They actually want all other forms of political action banned. Because liberals ultimately protect capitalists, who are the real sources of political power. Leftist political action is a threat to capitalists. Thusly, liberals condemn it and recommend voting instead.
What I’m saying is that not voting is foolish, not that voting is the only thing that should be done. In fact I’m saying that other things should be done. We clearly agree, I just think it is harmful to spread anti voting rhetoric because while it can’t fix things it is still a meaningful thing that can be done with immediate consequences for many.
We do agree. I only said anything in the first place because I didn’t really see this post as advocating an anti-voting position. I would see anti-voting agitation as more along the lines of “Do not vote. Voting itself is harmful.” As opposed to “voting doesn’t work” or “voting is ineffective” which I see as more along the lines of criticism of electoral democracy and agitation for collective action.
He did in an earlier post posted shortly before this one, and the title seems to reinforce this. The image itself doesn’t.
So are we at the part where things need to be on-fire?
I do adore the flames, they speak to me.
Wear your respirator, hon
"We can’t just vote "
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It says what you said already.
Have you seen crypts other posts and comments? He is not in favor of voting. Also see the title
This. That was a message directly to OP. One he will fail to hear.
Phrased like that it sounds super sinister 👀
or maybe just dramatic?
That may be true but this art has been posted before when 50501 was taking off. The original artist probably had more emphasis on the just, as in you have to do more than simply voting. This is probably what the other commentor was trying to convey.
Sorry, I haven’t but believe you. ✌️
I was saying this years ago but at this point: no. Fuck that system, I will not legitimize it, or the assholes blaming me for their own electoral failures. Fuck you¹, no, never again. Not in this system.
¹and you’re probably great! But still!
Fuck that system, I will not legitimize it, or the assholes blaming me for their own electoral failures. Fuck you¹, no, never again. Not in this system.
I get why you feel that way, but the reality is that if you abstain then there is no reason to even consider your opinion or desires. If your just going to say no because you’re not getting everything then you’ll just be excluded and everyone else will get something. Case in point the let’s relevance today. They don’t really support any part, nor do they work to make their own; as such you can ignore them. Protests? War? People that don’t want to build a third party are unlikely to fight. Do you know who FARC is? They are a political party now. But they also were before.
no reason to consider your opinion or desires
Nobody in power has ever done this. You’re showing so much privilege it has an event horizon.
you’ll be excluded
So like always?
everyone else will get something
Oh like the federally free weed single payer healthcare and not funding the Zionists that upwards of 60% of Americans want? Get out of your god damn fantasy world.
there is no left and they don’t do anything
Case in point
you’ll be excluded
So like always?
Exactly, you’ve abstained and you won’t organize a third party. You’ve done everything to not be taken seriously. The left broadly doesn’t want to, so it will keep being irrelevant
I didn’t abstain. Most people I knew on the left didnt used to either. Fuck you. I’m more than a lefty; I fit into lots of demographics, and not one of them has ever won jack shit by voting.
Everything you’re saying is from a dog shit Arron Sorkin fantasy. I find it deeply offensive for reasons you can’t and do not want to understand.
Fuck you and fuck your nation-state. You are why we have fascism. This is your doing and you can’t even understand why.
This take right here is why people turn against leftist politics… homie is telling you to participate in democracy as well as other forms of organization and resistance, and you’re all “fuck that I’m not gonna do nothin”
Like this is a dumb hill to die on, and you’re polarizing people that could be your allies
I do participate in democracy–I just don’t vote and endorse the state anymore. Dems have poisoned that.
there is not voting, and there is having your vote be conditional. i may not vote democrat if a progressive candidate is not available, but third party is always an option instead.
Elections are one front in the class war. Leftist keep ignoring it and wonder why they get nothing.
Are there any actual leftist spaces on this site? This place is as filled with libs as r/leftist back on Reddit which was always cringe. Need more active anarchist pages or those site’s version of latestagecapitalism to get more use.
Do you want 🇷🇺 to win the 🇺🇦 war?
I don’t give a shit, if you care so much about Ukraine pick up a gun and go fight
No? The fuck kind of question is that? It’s like asking if I want Israel to continue existing after everything they’ve done.
It’s to weed out tankies.
Better than accusing me of being one simply cause I refuse to fall in line with the blue or red fascists.
People are using tankie for Russia supporters?
Tankies are people who identify as communist or socialist, but want a state where the ruler cannot be switched out through elections, or a comparable peaceful process. Such as the Soviet Union. In fact, the term “tankie” was first coined to describe people who supported the Soviet Union sending tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution.
Authoritarianism and communism are incompatible. Under communism, the means of production are publicly owned. Ownership over a thing means that either a) you control the thing, and owe no accountability to anybody. Or b) the person controlling the thing is accountable to you. If the person who claims to control the means of production as the representative of the people is not accountable to the people, then he is actually the owner of the means of production. For example, Stalin effectively owned the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union wasn’t communism, it was the end state of capitalism, the complete enslavement of the working class to the owner class.
And for some reason, people who think Stalin was great like Russia, even though modern Russia doesn’t even claim to be communist.
Not supporting the “dictatorship of the proletariat” types, but the reason tankies support Russia isn’t because they think modern Russia is Communist. It’s because Russia is fighting Ukraine, which they see as a proxy war against the United States and its puppets in NATO.
In the authoritarian Communist worldview, the United States is the vanguard of capitalism and the most dangerous threat to global communism. That’s why they think Communist nations need authoritarian governments and powerful militaries: to protect themselves from the United States and its client states.
So tankies support anyone fighting the United States or its allies, no matter who they are or how bad their governments are. Because they think anything that weakens the United States is good for the world.
in the end, all they’ve done is make another oligarchy to replace the US with.
eh, there’s some stuff in what you said that’s not quite right, but you are getting the gist of it.
may I introduce you to https://anarchist.nexus/
Thanks. I keep forgetting Piefeed is a different thing from Lemmy/Blorp so got confused why it wasn’t popping up when I tried searching for it.
What the fuck is a blorp
It’s the app I use to more easily access Lemmy on my phone.
For anyone just learning about Blorp, we also support PieFed! We also have imo the best multi account support. You can quickly switch between your Lemmy and PieFed accounts.
Like searching from the Blorp login screen (see image below)? I could probably have it figure out if you are searching for Lemmy/PieFed automatically
I think you’ll find a few like-minded people there. and we have a couple good comms to take part in.
Lmao this place is overrun with “Leftists” – what are you even talking about?
yes, it is overrun with liberals cosplaying as leftists, but on the plus side the admins don’t really mind too much if you shit on the libs, so long as you aren’t being a bigot while you do it. so even if there is an infestation of democrats, they provide the leftists here with amusement.
You spelled “tankies” wrong
for example, we have a liberal here we can make fun of. besides being a general shitty person, he also hates minorities and has no problem with his party being filled with nazi collaborators.
Okay tankie.
Anyone you disagree with is a Tankie.
I might be offended by that, if I thought you were educated enough to know what a tankie was.
Okay tankie
It’s overrun with blue MAGA libs that attack anyone who refuses to fall in line with the Dem party. Just look at many of the comments on posts in lefty memes that are anti-drmocrat or anti-voting. Tons of these morons crawling out of the woodwork to defend them and spout their “lesser evil” BS.
You spelled “tankies” wrong.
Chickenshit response
Garbage take.
Cry about it liberal
Okay tankie
Lemmy.dbzer0.com - Lemmy Quokk.au - PF Anarchist.nexus - PF
All 3 are anarchist/left.
Than there’s the triad if you’re into killing innocent people with tanks.
Brb, re-painting the lines on the stroad near my house to add a bike lane.
Well, after I rent a pavement grinder to fix the damn sidewalks.
Install a speed bump for additional safety https://www.clevescene.com/news/urbanist-guerillas-fed-up-neighbors-install-speed-bump-on-street-where-five-year-old-was-struck-and-killed-38879832
Their hrududus are scary. We must be scarier!
I GET THIS
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Serious question: has violence ever made the country better? Could you please list a few historical examples?
Are you being obtuse or are you really just that fucking stupid?
I am impressed by the pacifist responses on Lemmy. I assume country means the USA.
Labor strikes have led to violence. Among the consolations were the eight hour work day for some and an end to some child labor.
The Kansas-Nebraska Act sparked Bleeding Kansas which contributed to the Civil War. The result of the violence was a change in labor relations for slaves. Owners had to get more creative at creating an underclass.
Unironically yes. The American civil war was fought over whether slavery should be permitted. Slavery is objectively bad, thus fighting to get rid of it made the country better.
Not to mention the revolutionary war, civil rights movement, etc. It doesn’t take much US history knowledge to know this.
stonewall, american civil war, anytime someone throws a brick at a cop car
you’re white as fuck and straight as an arrow, aren’t you? nobody who wasn’t would ever seriously ask that question.
Hey, I am white as duck, but my shape is more of a boomerang…
Historically illiterate and cowardly
The battle of Blair mountain, John Brown, hell, the Black Panthers. Peace is good, but without the threat of violence it falls easily.
Rabbits with their nonviolent eating of grass, and running away… Not exactly an imposing threat.
Lefties already llive like rabbits.
I think you might have Watership Down Syndrome.
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when your nazi kiddie-diddling president is dead and gone, we’re still gonna be here, fash.
