On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR “apology” (ironic)
How can you call “the transgender topic” at all “controversial”? You either support and protect minorities or you don’t.
Also, my man db0 is just the goat.I mean, it is absolutely controversial. Whether or not it should be controversial is what you seem to be referring to. I 100% agree that it shouldn’t be controversial, because human rights should never be controversial. But as it currently stands, it is an extremely divisive topic with strong opinions in both directions; claiming otherwise is outright disingenuous.
How can you call “the transgender topic” at all “controversial”?
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What universe are you living in where everyone agrees and has the same opinions about transgender people? It’s more or less the definition of a controversial topic.
My rights are not a controversy. You’re just a bigot.
Technically, they are controversial. There are people who support your right to live and there are people who dont support it
If half of humans thought water was dangerous, drinking water would be a controversial topic
Its not black and white like that. There are people who support trans people but are concerned about the medicine and psychology, considering how young and mistake prone those fields are. Keep in mind there was a time where labotomies were defended in a similar way.
I don’t think taking HRT and getting a literal lobotomy are equal…
they are not bigot, they just dont live in an echo chamber.
whether you like it or not, there’s lots people not thinking like you. I’m not one of them, just to clarify before I suddenly become a bigot, but people like that do exist, in masses
If you “have an opinion about transgender people” that involves taking away their rights, or putting them in harms way and that prioritises the needs of everyone else first, and the needs of trans people last, if at all, then you have a bigoted opinion.
and where exactly was that my opinion? it is not an opinion, that such people exist. that is a sad and hard fact.
but sure, kill the messenger, call me a bigot for pointing out reality.
I wasn’t talking about you, I was talking in general, and the specific context was the person earlier in this discussion, who you explicitly stated is not a bigot.
So where exactly did the earlier guy state that was his opinion? He got called a bigot simply immediately after calling the issue controversial, not because he said he believed the things that you claimed.
A lot of people thought that blacks shouldn’t be allowed to go to school.
yes, and what does it matter here? that’s another example of a controversial thing
The world of morality purity testing. According to the democrats or the “left” in america right now, if you don’t pass the test at all times you are scum and should be banned and silenced. I’m just amazed so many people apparently have made not a single mistake in their lives.
I’ll give a good example, I think. Pete Hegseth is bad at his job and says controversial things, and yet all I hear about him is how much he likes drinking. You don’t need the purity test to dislike the guy, and yet its the first choice anyways.
Because bad at his job and says controversial things is subjective, but being an alcoholic in charge of the military, where being an alcoholic gets you kicked out (if discovered), should be disqualifying. It is what should be a common ground view across the political spectrum. If you’re constantly drunk and drink at work, you are not fit to be in charge of the military.
This is really shitty but it doesn’t surprise me at all. He’s trying to make a shift because he doesn’t want to face repercussions of being labeled transphobic, possibly being widely banned and ostracized.
It’s very different when someone actually realizes they were wrong and want to change and be better. Nutomic isn’t doing that here, he just wants people to give donations and to avoid fallout from him letting his opinions slip publicly.
Bro is literally panicking that he might have to get a real job.
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com appreciation
The fact that you think this is worthy of posting in this community is bizarre. It’s hard for me to imagine a more agreeable and reasonable statement.
A lot of users on hexbear and lemmygrad, along with some users on .ml, have extreme political positions that are worth documenting in this community. But I don’t think this post fits the criteria at all. In general, I don’t think Nutomic has ever really expressed any tankie opinions, so I don’t understand why people continue to persecute him while using the software that he helped build.
If you have a problem with lemmy.ml as a server that’s one thing, but it’s pretty trashy to harass the volunteer developer of a FOSS platform that you use for free. How about finding someone else to pick on, there’s plenty of worse people out there.
A) There’s literally a pinned post in this comm that this post is, essentially, a sequel too.
B.1) One of the things they always say on the Tankie Triad is that their instance(s) are trans safe spaces, how can .ml be a trans safe space with a literal transphobe as main admin?
B.2) There’s no place in a just world for transphobia
I don’t see how that’s transphobic tbh
allowing biological men to compete as women [is bourgeois = bad]
This is blatant transphobia. Just imagine it with nationalities : “allowing people born in Mexico to compete under USA banner is bad” would feel awful.
Man, there was an example that was actually done by history, right there for you
“The blacks clearly have natural physical advantages over white people. They have had hundreds of years of breeding for strength, and endurance, from selective buck breeding of the slave holders. They have no place playing baseball with with white men.”
The geographic location of someone’s birthplace has no inherent relevance to their athletic ability.
Biological sex has a major influence on athletic ability.
Apples to oranges.
It doesn’t quite fit, true, but Nutomic is a tankie. He’s not as mask-off as the other lemmy developers, but he’s still a tankie, transphobic and is okay with tankie extremism.
Also consider this a warning: no apologia – No defending tankies.
If he is a tankie, then post the evidence. If he is transphobic, post the evidence.
I don’t agree with either of those assertions. To me, this post borders on harassment.
I’m going to assume you are asking this in good faith and to be respectful to Nutomic.
Transphobic evidence: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
I couldn’t find anything about him being a tankie but I didn’t look for very long. If someone has a screenshot they can reply with it.
However, I think allowing Dessalines to blatantly censor anti Russian and anti ccp posts on lemmy.ml and his “support from capitalist government = bad” ideology from the picture above is reason enough to call him a tankie.
obviously human rights apply to everyone including transgender people.
I’m not going to get bent out of shape on that statement. It isn’t doubling down or escalating like the folks still sending death threats over shit like neopronouns.
I think it’s more the evasion and unwillingness to show support for trans rights, which should be easy. The fact he is hesitant or worried to show support indicates he thinks there is something wrong with the view that trans women are women, etc.
db0 trying not to be based challenge:
Impossible.
I mean they still left the begging thread up with the “separate the art from the artist” message, and let Nutomic intentionally mislead users about “developer salaries” not going to support .ml. If they really wanted to be based they would have banned Nutomic for being a greedy little pig boy and told people to donate to Piefed.
Tbh… Rare Nutomic W. I don’t agree with him, but people on here hounding people over this one very specific issue and trying to make them a social pariah if they have a “wrong” opinion is pathetic.
Putting my response to some other comments here from users literally calling for people to die because they hold this rather moderate position:
Honestly… If I was going to be a transphobe, it would be because how you lot act on here, not due to actual right wing influences. Thankfully I have spoken to a few people who are transgender activists who are actually respectful, decent, and well grounded people. But the proportion of people I come across who aren’t at least makes me want to have nothing to do with the movement itself. Which is a real shame, because a few transgender people I have come across and know are lovely, but there’s a large voice out there giving them a bad name, and I feel like that voice may be contributing to the current political shift.
this is gross. honestly reads like “i agree with all that BLM stuff as long as they don’t act up”
Flax, this thing where you walk into a thread about trans issues and your only contribution is calling people crazy and pedantry is getting really old. It doesn’t make you look smart, you just come across as someone trying to mask their transphobia (and no, I’m not calling you a transphobe).
I know I’m not a transphobe. I’m just sick of seeing people act like this online. I know exactly how everyone else views it. It makes it hard to stand up for transgender people when some people act like this. And any time I try and point that out, they quickly label me as an enemy. I don’t know who’s leading this movement, but it starts to seem like some weird cult.
I’m not walking into random threads either- it’s appearing on my feed. I’m not deliberately searching it out. I am regularly active in these communities.
Sick of acting like what, having a different opinion and telling you to fuck off when you call them part of a cult? Like, how do you expect shit like “If I was going to be a transphobe, it would be because how you lot” to be received?
Also, first and final warning, I consider the implicit ‘trans cult’ stuff here to be a violation of our ‘no transphobia’ rule.
I’m talking about the idea of “wrongthink” as being cult-like tactics. I’m not saying transgender people are in a cult.
Secondly, when I raise my concern by saying that it “might be” cult-like to try and silence anyone who raises such a concern about transgender people using certain bathrooms, changing rooms, or participating in women’s sports (which is what I’m talking about) you threaten to ban me from the Lemmy instance I have been a part of for two years and have donated to (albeit in small amounts) also, and have been trying to do small acts of helping out here and there. You threaten to ban me from a Lemmy instance based in the United Kingdom for me saying stuff that’s less far gone than our own supreme court. You’re threatening to ban me because I don’t agree with you. Not once have I ever called for a finger of harm to be laid on transgender people. In this thread, I’m simply saying that people claiming a lead developer of lemmy deserves to die is cruel and inhumane. You threaten to ban me because I am standing against people saying that Nutomic deserves to die for not agreeing with them. Can’t you at least understand now where I got the “cult like” tactics idea now? If you disagree with what I say, downvote me. Let me be downvoted. Criticise my opinion. Give a defence. Give me examples on why I shouldn’t use the term “cult” here, yet how it’s okay for other users of this instance to claim a large amount of the British population is in a cult simply because of their religious beliefs.. Don’t threaten to disfellowship me.
Thirdly, this place is where I get to hear the other side. Do you really want to force me to use an echo chamber by banning me?
Flamingos, this is pathetic and a flagrant abuse of admin power. Not once did I ever claim I wanted harm to come to transgender people. In fact, I am standing against the same bullying that another instance used to defederate us. There’s no need to read between the lines here. I barely know what “dogwhistling” is nevermind people accusing me of doing it. I don’t mean any more than what I say. And what I’ve said is that we should calm down on this bullying about other people’s views on what special considerations should be given to transgender people, and that transgender people should be treated with respect, dignity, and be free from harassment like everybody else.
My warning was very pointed and specifically about rhetoric, not the actual underlying opinions.
Give me examples on why I shouldn’t use the term “cult” here, yet how it’s okay for other users of this instance to claim a large amount of the British population is in a cult simply because of their religious beliefs…
The trans cult thing is a common talking point by transphobes to discredit the idea of being trans, that it’s nothing more than brainwashing. I really don’t know how you expect “I don’t know who’s leading this movement, but it starts to seem like some weird cult” to come across, but it reads like you saying anyone with a more progressive opinion to you is in a cult. It’s very easy for someone to make the jump from that to believing you think trans movement more broadly is a cult, especially given you’re a transmedicalist.
Also, that comment by Hossenfeffer is clearly made in jest and, unlike trans people, Christians aren’t a marginalised identity in Britain.
Thirdly, this place is where I get to hear the other side. Do you really want to force me to use an echo chamber by banning me?
No, that’s why I gave a warning. I don’t think you appreciate how much more leeway you get because I understand you come from a conservative background. You constantly say you’re bad with this and when I try to clear up the boundaries of what I consider acceptable, you accuse me of engaging in cult-like tactics. Maybe I was too curt, but I’m trying to help you. I’m trans myself, so I hope you can appreciate why I’m sensitive to this stuff.
There’s no need to read between the lines here. I barely know what “dogwhistling” is nevermind people accusing me of doing it.
I’d really appreciate if you did read up on it. I can only moderate based on what you write, not what’s in your head. I and others can’t tell the difference between genuine ignorance or pretending to be ignorant to sneak bigotry in under the radar. The Green Party has a good page on trans/queer dogwhistles.
Thank you for clearing this up. I would prefer an approach like this rather than a straight ban threat. I can understand how you misunderstood what I meant by “cult” now, I should have been more clear. I’m talking about the cancel culture aspect. I should have been more clear about that, and I apologise. The movement I was referring to was the movement of people who want to silence people who disagree with them surrounding this topic. If someone believes in full recognition and inclusion of trans women as cis women, for example, but wouldn’t call for the death or claiming people they disagree with deserve to die, that’s not what I was referring to (Again, I should have been more clear). I think the context of the thread helps, including where my comment I was quoting and in response to someone telling someone else “you don’t deserve to breathe” which I stand by, the treatment of that user and hate of that sense directed towards nutomic is disgusting.
Also, ty for the link!
Are the terms afab/amab still okay? I try and use them as opposed to “biological women” as I heard that one could be a dogwhistle before
Sorry if it came across that hostile, I tend to be snappy after waking up and we’ve had a lot of transphobia lately.
Are the terms afab/amab still okay? I try and use them as opposed to “biological women” as I heard that one could be a dogwhistle before
AFAB/AMAB are fine, encouraged even. ‘Biological women’ is generally used by gender critical types as a dog whistle to mean that only cis women are real women.
