Holy crap that dude aged like milk in 3 years time
AOSP
Android Open Source Project
look inside
not open source
mfw
You can still use AOSP to make your own phone, but you’ll just have to built your own apps too, since eventually, all of google play apps aren’t gonna work on degoogled Android.
Not a big deal, considering that FOSSIFY project offers all the basics you’d need for a degoogled phone: call app, messaging, contacts, calculator, calendar, gallery, etc. F-droid also has a good selection of apps, though most people, me included, will still need whatsapp one way or another. At least that thing doesn’t need any of Google’s “essential” apps.
There’s so much bullshit with smartphones now that make them a pain to use, I’m honestly considering at this point to just get a flipphone and buy separate devices for the things it can do. Get a camera, MP3 player, and portable DVD player and live life the way people did 20 years ago.
Oh, I totally agree, dude! I was thinking the same idea for a while too
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Camera problem – You have the best camera on your device, but sometimes people don’t even set the best settings lol. Plus, you’ve taken tons of photos with your phone camera that you never look at, so what’s the point? A small camera is a great idea or polaroid.
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Mp3 - I don’t have use Spotify or some streaming music platfrom. Because I listen to specific random songs that’s not alwasys available on Spotify etc. So I just download my songs with yt-dlp on mp3 files!
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Portable DVD player - I personally just download my videos (youtubers or movies) and then watch on my phone.
I’ve started to get more selective of my photos and even began printing them, sometimes gifting to friends. Now I actually end up looking at them more often.
Oh hey that’s cool! Do you print them like in those machine in shops or at home?
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holy crap this is so true. i miss twrp
they court the nerds with cool tech, then ditch them whenever their shit takes off and the nerds are an irrelevant minority.
Tale as old as time.
No. No it’s not that. The politics of silicon valley are turning fast, and not in good directions.
to be fair they havent been making cool tech for a while anymore either.
Oh its very cool. Have you seen palantir’s
Oh. You meant cool for you. No. Jo they have not
Pfft… We’re the ones who are just going to find the exploit in the new walled garden anyway. #GreenJailbreak
I am in dire need of a true Linux Phone
Bring back the Nokia N900!
A nice sentiment but in reality the n900 and n9 were both too slow to use. That’s the first thing that would have to be fixed.
I did alright with mine. I figure a modern one would have modern hardware in it. People forget how dire the performance on the first couple of iPhone generations was, too. The N900’s contemporary was the iPhone 3GS, I think, which was an objectively terrible device in every metric except sales.
Oh, and the N900’s inbuilt phone dialer was also kind of ass. But I found its performance more than acceptable, and it could run full fat Firefox including the Flash plugin, which was still a big deal at the time, whereas its competitors could barely render a web page.
The 3GS was fine for me and much more response and useful than my previous phone, which happened to ba a Nokia N75.
I developed early web apps (and frontends for native apps) for iPhone and Android around the time the Nexus One launched. If you spent any time using both, the iPhone was a better phone even though the hardware specs didn’t suggest it, I used the 3GS until upgrading to the iPhone 5S. My wife was on an earlier schedule and went 3G, 4, 5C, and we still play old games on her 5C around Halloween with our kid now 12 years later.
Hmm I didn’t use early (or later) iphones, so idk. In that era I had a Nokia N63 (sort of a Blackberry knockoff) which was really nice. I had an N900 but rarely used it. Later I got an N9 and used it mostly because my N63 crapped out. But the N9 was also near unusable. I finally broke down and got an Android phone in 2017 or so (Moto G4, cheap and obsolete even then) and it was lightning fast by comparison.
the oligarchy is already set, we won’t get a grassroots competitor to apple/google at this point without shenanigans. android is open but the entire ecosystem around it is closed.
all sorts of bureaucracy and interaction with corporations and governments are now requiring squeamish proprietary apps that will not work at the mere hint of something they arbitrarily (or maliciously?) dislike.
Really gotta get rid of those.
Look at this: https://liberux.net/
Dude holy shit, modular emmc AND RAM, AND modem??! This looks sick as hell!!
Well, the market is really very small. There’s also the PinePhone Pro (which is discontinued) and Librem 5, Volla Phone, Mudita Kompakt. But, of couse, that whasn’t Ipone 16 pro max.
That does sound fucking based, but probably can’t run android apps as well right?
LiberuxOS contain jailed Android I think. Bit if not you can install Waydroid.
In any case, this is the other side of freedom. For some reason, people want corporations to provide them with convenient functions and applications for free and not take anything as a substitute. It doesn’t happen that way, communism hasn’t arrived. Either convenience under the wing of corporations, or freedom in all its wild splendor.
UPD: Freedom systems will never even become popular and convenient if everyone chooses the convenience of corporate systems.
I would eat my foot for this
I would eat their foot for this
I just like eating feet
Monoco would too! Owowowow
The phone running FuriOS seems neat.
I was really rooting for Ubuntu Mobile and Firefox OS. Sadly barely any manufacturers offered it stock, so classic henn and egg problem.
off topic me using android 2015
I remember when I was younger is rooted phone and installed freedom apk. This app was awesome and allowed you to buy stuff from Google Play for free. Does anyone remember this app? I always thought that logo was really weird.
I never heard of freedom APK, but Lucky Patcher worked like a charm!
Never seen this before. It is really weird.
There are phosh based phones and over time more people will hopefully switch to them, use them, and work on making them better. Phosh-based phones are currently are not as usable as something like GOS, but with Google challenging itself to become more and more enshitified in the interest in marginal tiny profit gains (even if it destroys their brand over the long term) nerds needs to band together prepare for an alternative. Part of this is going to be advocating for Apps that work in Linux mobile Phosh environments and just refusing to use containerized apks and part of it is going to be people doing what they can to support native linux phone apps that work well in Phosh.
Don’t forget rock solid app gets an unexpected update 3 years later and now is jammed with ads and offers an ad free subscription at $14/week
Yeah app purchases sure went to shit, didn’t they? Sorry turns out buying an app one time for a small fee isn’t good enough, we need you to buy it again every month.
And the apps that do have lifetime licenses went from $5 to like $80
Dude fuck that noise.
I bought a lifetime copy of hex edit like 30 years ago. 20 years later I needed something and the dude answered and sent me a new code.
Fucking rock on hex edit brother!!!
I’m glad I heard of Discord’s plan to add ads to their Android app beforehand so I had the chance to disable updates. It’s annoying that Android keeps reminding me there’s an update available, but it’s less annoying than ads.
Blocking basically all ads on your phone is trivially easy.
- Find “Private DNS” (or something similar) in your settings
- Set it to dns.adguard-dns.com
And that’s really it. There are other ad-blocking dns providers out there, and they all use slightly different block lists. I like adguard because their blocklist is less aggressive than others I’ve tried, and I’d rather an ad or two get through than for something legitimate to stop working.
You can also set it up as your dns provider in your router to block ads on your entire network. People tend to like to self-host adguard or pihole for that, but as long as you don’t care about a dashboard or manual dns entries, using a free dns is as easy as it gets and is very effective. I self-host as a hobby and I still just use adguard’s public dns.
Also TrackerControl FOSS app that filters ads on your phone directly. Can enable/disable different stuff per-app. Must have no proxy/dns to work.
An in-app-purchase screen would have been a great fit.
CyanogenMod, how I loved thee
The golden age of custom ROMs was truly a technological Renaissance. Magical time.
Damn such good days. My phone is a trash can these days.
Is LineageOS not good? I thought that was forked from Cyanogen?
They had to throw out lots of customization options, because Google made a ton of changes to Android/AOSP and it wasn’t compatible anymore.
Like, LineageOS is still a more feature-rich and cleaner OS than what comes preinstalled on most phones. But yeah, even relatively simple stuff like setting a system font never got a real replacement.
No idea, if it is still easily possible to implement that. You can fake it by replacing the Roboto font file with a different font, but you get weird font issues in various apps then.
As gross as Google’s endless enshittification is, I blame the consumers for most of it. People vote with their wallets and they’ve been voting for the locked up walled garden crap option for the past two decades, especially in the US, where there is literally a culture of “ew, you have a green message bubble!” and chasing a status symbol is way more important than things like actual ownership over your devices, digital freedom and customization. And funnily enough, Google’s hardware sales have started increasing steadily since they’ve started copying Apple’s shitty model.
Ah yes, the consumers having no real practical alternative between apple and android means they support all the bullshit Google is forcing onto android /s
How do you propose I vote with my wallet when using something like grapheneOS requires buying a pixel?
Even with Graphene, it’s increasingly likely that it’ll be dead to new Pixels in the coming years. And I say that as someone posting this from a Pixel 9 running Graphene.
GraphineOS is the epitome of paying against your values then using foss without giving back.
Murena sells phones with e/os already installed, and there seems to be others too where you can buy a phone: iodé , jolla, pine64, pureos,
I spent $500 on a Murena only for the thing to brick a month later because the cord or whatever connecting the rechargable battery to the rest of the phone somehow split off. Would’ve been open to shipping the thing back to them for a repair/replacement since a local shop was unable to do so, but they use UPS for shipping and there was no way in hell I was going to deal with the absolute mess it was to receive the phone to begin with a second time.
You did get the fairphone model right? The one brand that’s repairable?
I bought the Murena One since it was the cheapest model that was close to the specs of my phone at the time. Figured $500 was already overpaying considering how much lower cost my previous phone was, but also, who the hell thinks about a $500 phone bricking in a month? I just find it inexcusable regardless.
I remember wanting to get the removable battery, but they didn’t offer that with the One, and I’d be losing specs if I got a model in my budget that did have one. I also wasn’t going to spend over a grand for a phone with the Fairphone models available through them at the time.
If you’re not interested in repairability then at least you should be interested in ups returns it’s one or the other.
The time to support Android was 15 years ago when you could install any OS on any device, side load anything you wanted, root, mod, replace your battery, have full control over your file system, expand your storage, etc. Or 10 years ago, when Google was selling completely unlocked developer oriented phones, offering most of its services for free, opening sources, and actually innovating in fields like computational photography while also researching interesting concepts like modular phones.
If you feel like you can’t vote with your wallet today it’s because the market as a whole has abundantly shown that it really doesn’t give a fuck about any of those things, and it will always give the dominant position to whoever markets more aggressively or more effectively, even if the business models of those companies go against the consumers’ interests.
People in 2007 jumped at the chance to buy a ridiculously overpriced phone with no physical keyboard, a VGA camera without flash, no MMS or 3G support, no apps or customization whatsoever, no expandable storage, no battery replacement, terrible repairability, locked in to proprietary accessories and software, and so on. This, while the competition at the time was putting out cheaper phones with things like OLED screens, professional optics with xenon flashes, dual SIMs, microSD support, the latest connectivity standards, etc.
And when Apple patent trolled, took away things like the headphone jack, or normalized imposing ridiculous costs and taking huge cuts from developers, did people stop buying their products? No, they bought more.
I’m not defending Google at all. Their decline is abhorrent, but it’s a corporation, and corporations will always choose profit over everything else. It’s really naive to think they’ll offer their customers the more ethical option just out of the goodness of their hearts, especially when the market has been taking for granted or even actively discouraging the things that positively differentiated them from the competition.
By not using GrapheneOS obviously.
Also GrapheneOS is about security not about privacy or freedom. So GrapheneOS is just not really part of the discussion here.
You’re not disproving my point that there is no feasible way for me as a consumer to have a functional device without begrudgingly supporting either apple or android in their walled garden bullshit. No amount of “voting with my wallet” will fix this without a proper alternative
It kinda depends on what you define as “functional” though. Because depending on that it is definitely feasible to vote with your wallet.
In my case for example, I use a fairphone with lineageos and microg. This means I have to live with some minor inconveniences around banking and such. But, for me, this is a functional device and I can do everything I want to do with it.
Which is buying a new/used Google Pixel which is still supporting Google. Even if we got it second-hand, the development for GrapheneOS still depends on Pixel phone device and making it support the newer model which is still in a way, support Google as you still getting their product to then jailbreak it.
Ah yes, I too blame the overworked and underpaid population that were never given a real education besides a dysfunctional and authoritarian public school system which contains at least 50% pro-status-quo propaganda and omit real useful information, and teaches kids to obey teachers and the school admin, and subjugate their free will. /s
“I get in line to buy shit phones because I’m oppressed, overworked and underpaid”. Alright. Hopefully the corporate overlords will do something about it, then.
When did you last see a queue for a new phone?
Doesn’t work that way. We should stop attacking each other and start attacking the people actually responsible for this nonsense. Apple both was the first for gluing the phone together and removing the headphone port. Every other device manufacturer follows suit such that people cannot choose. Samsung was publicly mocking Apple for locking the bootloader and guess what? Which Samsung phone can now freely install any operating system? That’s right, none of the more modern ones.
Only the new battery initiative from the EU which forces manufacturers to make batteries normally replaceable again, will change that in 2027. Short version is, if there isn’t any sort of bigger power forcing them to do something, they will refuse to, as long as screwing you makes more money. And in most cases, it does.
It works exactly that way. The reason other manufacturers follow suit when Apple does something stupid or anti-consumer is because people buy Apple regardless. When Samsung, as a corporation, see that their main competitor has cut costs by taking out features, and it’s still leading the market, there is absolutely no reason for them to not eventually do the same.
Everyone who’s replied to me so far conveniently talks about what they can do today while ignoring that my comment is about how we got here over the past two decades. Yes, it’s true that people don’t really queue for phones anymore, and it’s true that we don’t have other options now. But when we did have the options, people still preferred eating up the crap one with gusto, and usually for very shallow reasons. If you’re one of the few who didn’t, then you have no reason to feel called out by my comment.
Regulation like in the EU still requires people to vote politically for representatives that take these things into consideration, which again, clearly isn’t something that happens in the US. No “bigger power” is going to simply come out of nowhere to protect the consumers’ interests if the consumers themselves don’t give a shit about their own rights in the first place.
I understand that it’s a sad and tough reality to accept, but no amount of screaming at corpos on Lemmy or Reddit is going to undo the damage. And installing GrapheneOS on a Pixel is not the moral flex people here think it is.
iOS jailbreaking used to be incredible too.
I guess it might still be for those who slipped into the “window” to do it, but I have no clue what Cydia looks like these days.
Cydia is practically dead, replaced by Sileo or Zebra, and most tweaks are paid now.
I miss when people did stuff for a hobby or for fun. Literally everything wants your money these days it seems.
It’s not like everything (or rather every dev) necessarily wants your money. We’re forced to monetize even our hobbies in an attempt to live a worthwhile life. It’s a cancerous system infecting everything and everyone.
To develop great FOSS software without the need of monetization is an enormous privilege.
No, you’re absolutely right.
I am more angry at the system than at the hobbyists. I apologize for coming off like that.
Doesn’t help that Apple wants €100/year + a supported Mac (average €100/year for the hw upgrade treadmill)
Oh that sucks. It’s par for iOS though.
Yeah, me too. So what if apps were simpler than they are now… that would be nice.
would be nice
Omay, but, and hear me out on this: what if we added microtransactions to your email app and keyboard app?
Ahem. My HTC 7 came with malware in the keyboard, baked in as an unremovable system app!
It truly was a great time when the scene was really bumping. Maybe one day we’ll pendulum swing back to something along that peak jailbreak scene.
Maybe…
You made me wonder if there could ever be an avenue for Apple to support this, especially with Google just getting worse and worse with android.
Apple makes a ton of money on just hardware sales. Imagine if the next iPhone had an option that would delete iOS, possibly blow some kind of security fuse in the CPU that voids your warranty (because they still have to be dicks), and reboot into an unlocked bootloader. They could boost sales and be even shittier to Google by rolling their own distro of Linux/Android/BSD for the phones with solid drivers for everything.
That veered off into fantasy land immediately, since that is not how Apple does things. And they do have services to sell too. But even if they only enabled open access on older models it could move a ton of units. Interesting to imagine.
Capitalism will never give you nice things. Sorry.
Oof, now that is some stinging truth right there.
At least I had my moment to dream about it yesterday.
I think world peace is more realistic than that
I feel like iPhones had a sweet spot between the 4 and the… I dunno. A few generations after that? Where jailbreaking was rampant and incredible, and the phones are basically like the 16 now.
Then Android had a ‘sweet spot’ after that. Their quality and UI fluidity really caught up, to the point where my old Razer Phone 2 (SD845) still feels faster than an iPhone 16.
After that… well, I dunno where to go :(. Feels like both platforms are locking down.
And if you oay, it’s not private.
I held onto jailbreaking till the end. I have a iPhone on iOS 17.0 and TrollStore for permanent sideloaded apps. It’s pretty awesome! There hasn’t been anything like a jailbreak or TrollStore since then. I wish I had bought an iPhone 15 on iOS 17.0 at launch so I could hold onto this as long as possible. Having a lower end iPhone I’ll probably need an upgrade in the next year or so.
You can get a similar experience to TrollStore by paying for an Apple developer account or a third-party signing service that abuses Apple developer accounts. It seems android users may have to do a similar thing in a few years.
everybody could use more money. gotta be turning more and more of your life into a hustle for capital’s insatiable maw.
so now we pay for mods.
Because the default commercial software is trash.
yup, mostly because of capitalism
It’s happening, I’m finally getting nostalgic from tech memes. The days on xda forums and IRC. Thankfully IRC is still alive. Xda seems to be dying to telegram and Google’s enshittification
Mmm yes incomplete ROMs with a ton of self-congratulatory posting
ROMS have (almost) always been incomplete works. They have always been sideprojects, by tech enthusiasts that wanted to learn. They just happen to share those projects to any who would be interested, with no warranty.
This is cruel, now I feel like some kind of criminal. Who knew that the most dangerous criminal is an ordinary consumer who wants freedom…
i cant wait for mobile Linux to be ready, I will switch in a heartbeat.
Sailfish exists: https://sailfishos.org/
Pinephone exists now, you can buy it today. It runs Linux.
Calls/SMS do work although are not 100% so if you absolutely need these to be reliable you could get a brick phone for like £15 to cover that and then use the Pinephone as a pocket computer. I used it as my only phone for a couple of years and it was mostly fine, now it doesn’t have a SIM in it and its perfect as a pocket PC.
If calls/SMS are not 100% then it’s not a phone
That is where the dumb phone comes in which only deals with calls/SMS.
If you have to buy a dumb phone for your smartphone then you did not buy a smartphone, is my point
If you can’t even install software on it then its not an overly smartphone.
Follow pine64 news, they stopped producing new pinephones since they arent in demand enough
I thought that was just the pro?
the pro was discontinued but the base model is only going to be produced for another 2 years. Hopefully they release a next generation model but if they are toning down upper end models then I’m not convinced.
Mine has postmarketOS on it, probably should update sometime.
One thing I would like is decent offline maps with good performance, don’t even care of it supports GPS or not. Pinephone has no SIM in it these days and that sits in a CatB40.
Are they stopping development though? Stopping production when there is an abundance of stock to sell already is just normal business.
It wasn’t due to surplus, they said in the release that it was a didn’t sell enough units(the pro). And the current pinephone is only going to be produced another 2 or so years, they havent mentioned any plans that I saw of a model after that.
Pinephone battery usage (with postmarketOS) is atrocious. I bought one and it’s been collecting dust in a drawer ever since the first 3-4 times the battery drained from 100 to 0 within 24 hours on stand-by. :( My fastest wasted 700ish EUR ever.
How so much? Mine was about £200 after delivery and import taxes. Still my most expensive phone but the best computer I have ever put in my pocket.
Shame that calls/SMS are not perfect, but I have since for a dumb phone for that so the SIM sits in that instead.
it’s been 3 years or so but I may have bought a pinephone pro because the simple one was out of stock? Plus convergence package, plus shipping, plus outrageous money transfer fees - German banks are basically thieves when it comes to international transfers outside the EU.
Permanently connect it to a power bank?
- great use case for a mobile device /s
- lithium ion batteries are really nothing to feel comfortable around
- wasting energy is wasting energy
So - no, it’s now expensive electronic scrap, sadly. While my shiftphone easily lasts 24 hours with regular use and 3+ days on standby.
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wasn’t paying attention - my bad.
Wasn’t Ubuntu phone a thing?
Ubuntu touch is a thing, But the only platform it’s running properly on is halium, which is basically an Android core and bootloader that virtualizes the OS.
It works, and it has pretty good battery life, but it’s not really Linux on the phone, they’re using Android drivers under the hood.
The real Linux distributions that exist that are running on metal don’t have all the drivers worked out yet for modem and VOLTE, But those are close, i’m not worried about that, But I am worried about is the average of 6 hours of battery life on a 3500 mah battery. Android has battery life down to a science. Those apps just become snapshots and disappear into the background and restore like nothing happened when you need them again.
I started diving into this one Android started showing their ass a couple of months ago. If you want to use hallium, You might be able to daily drive it if you don’t have high expectations, The guy I was following that tested it out so that helium / touch was so lockdown that he couldn’t even install unsanctioned apps from the terminal because the VM would brick itself.
I can deal with not running most phone apps, But I really don’t feel like moving from one lockdown OS to another just for the hell of it. If Google pulls this s*** I will get out at the first available stop.
I’ve been hearing about this for 10+ years now. I vaguely remember testing a prototype that could only load an os. That was it
Saw someone else mention sailfish! There is also PostmarketOS I’ve recently seen footage of it running on a OnePlus phone and it looks way more stable than I’d expected!!
Edit= apparently just 2 oneplus phones and sparse other phones are supported, and stability varies per device =/ you can check here to see if your phone’s supported!
It won’t happen due to voice over lte.
Why is this a problem?
Voice over l t e is not standardized and the carriers on the I p to connect to their system. So every carrier has an encrypted blob that only works with whatever version of phone they want to sell. If you have a major phone like an iPhone or a pixel, then apple and Google work to make sure that those seemlessly download.But if you’re any other brand you’re kind of screwed. Even Samsung has issues since I can’t use the Play Store to distribute it in their own app.Store doesn’t have good support from the carriers. The carriers really push that only the phones are purchased from them work. Spokennoise, they also pushed it unsecured.Devices need to be wiped, including them voiceover Lte data.
Look at the issues with australian service right now , they are even trying to stop iphones from other countries from using it. Apple has a whole system to make sure that all phones work with the same voice over lte stuff following the bands match and auto download the blobs.
I’ve been looking to switch as well… But it’s hard to find a supported device. Dammit, I want Mobian so bad…
