• MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    There was a cartoon/comic/image I saw back in the trump shooting. About how they realised the shooter was a white guy, and the audience breathes a sigh of relief saying ‘race war postponed’.

    I wonder what will happen if “the wrong type of person” is linked to a mass shooting, and what will happen next.

  • sunbytes@lemmy.world
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    A lot of these contests just a points game, but in this case if one particular side is able to dominate the narrative then they’ll use it to actually hurt people.

    So I get the game is stupid, but is a game where real people can get hurt.

  • salacious_coaster@infosec.pub
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    19 hours ago

    The fuck you want me to do about it, go door to door rounding up all the guns by gunpoint? We’re living under a dictatorship and 150 million of us are completely insane

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      I mean, tbh, we have over 600,000,000 guns and trillions of rounds of ammo in ~45% of the pop’s hands, no registry to know who/where those are, and at those numbers we’re a larger “force” (no organization) with more guns and ammo than most of the world’s militaries combined (and larger/more than ours “alone,” well, combined with our police actually). Sure they have the fancy toys, but…

      You’d have to go door by door and search literally every house AND somehow make sure the people to be searched don’t stash shit before you get there with someone who has been searched, and you’d have to get them all (not miss one hidden in floorboards), AND you’d have to restrict home depot purchases going forward, AND somehow not get smoked by a “cold dead fingers” ass motherfucker, all so we can make sure our totally not fascist government is the only one possessing arms.

      Good fucking luck. Even if someone could which is a big if, idk if they should considering that last bit.

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      Let’s not pretend it was anything different Under any other president. Y’all are just blood thirsty maniacs. Not all of you but too damn many.

      The fuck you want me to do about it

      Not get all mad in a meme community for one. I do agree though that it ain’t your problem, so maybe you didn’t need to reply to this meme.

      Heck you think I’m out here calling people out for calling British food bland. Nope just move along.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    I mean…

    To fix it we need free and available mental healthcare, a population with something they don’t want to lose, or reasonable gun laws.

    None of those things have a chance of happening right now with the current government.

    Even if trump passes gun control of some sort it’s not going to be reasonable. And that’s the only one of the three that are plausible.

    But right now no one wants trump to pass any gun laws. Even if Dems get House/Senate in midterms, trump will veto anything reasonable.

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      I’m skeptical of the idea that this can mostly be boiled down to mental health (or at least that mental health reform alone is a valid fix) and not social issues. Mental health is certainly a component, but if we actually listen to psychologists they’ve been saying that the massive amount of news around shootings makes further shootings more likely. There’s also no diagnosis or mental illness attributable to the majority of mass shooters to treat to begin with.

      Using the Kirk shooter as an example, according to his friends he was incredibly deep into channer-style irony poisoning. What is therapy supposed to do to fix that? You can’t therapy someone into better mental health if they don’t want it.

      Not trying to jump down your throat or anything, this is just one of my regular soap boxes.

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        Imo it’s part of a larger project along with criminalizing homelessness to attack people with mental illness.

        If you go on reddit or other social media it’s not in common to see people calling for a return to whatever to their mind imagines as old school mental institutions with forced institutionalization for anything they don’t like

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        You can give the people in Gitmo 24/7 access to a psychiatrist, but they’re still gonna be depressed because that is the logical result of their condition…

        I wasn’t saying:

        Do any of these things and it will 100% solve it, ignore everything else

        I could have specifically said that, but I figured people would be able to understand that on their own. I didn’t say today was Monday either, some things you just have to have faith in the reader

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          18 hours ago

          Sorry for trying to use your comment as a jumping off point and specifically saying I wasn’t trying to jump down your throat, I guess. 🤷‍♂️

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        I actually almost completely forgot that APA is an actual psychology association, not just people who decide how papers should be formatted.

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    Actually, this wasn’t such a thing until the Kirk shooting and the entire right wing decided in 20 seconds flat that every Democrat murdered Charlie Kirk. So they’ll be getting a more fact based version of that for the foreseeable future. We’re sick of taking the high road.

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      Nah, every school shooter have been defaulting as Muslim since forever and more recently trans, until it was found that, once again, it’s a cis white boy.

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        Right, I definitely get that the right has always been doing this. It wasn’t so much a thing coming from the left though. We already knew the likely politics of the perpetrator. It wasn’t a big thing for us. Now though, they’re going to get it shoved in their face every time.

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    Letting the Trump administration be in charge of disarming Americans seems like a poor move for everything and everyone except the regime.

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      21 hours ago

      Like anyone will rise up against the fascists. Most of the gun enthusiasts are siding with them.

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        I would bet there’s more ready to do that than you are assuming there are. Either way, if you’re an American you should be figuring out how to join that team now.

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      That’s going to be the norm for this administration. The only thing that “matters” is the very first thing to be said. All the media blindly run with it and the Reich wing media won’t do a correction later on if it’s proven to be otherwise.

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      The recent shooter of Charlie Kirk didn’t write any manifesto or anything like Luigi Magione. Both had massive impacts and people are just waiting for this shooter to tell them what to be angry and do something about it, but in reality it’ll just confirm what they think but most won’t do a single thing to act on these manifesto. I believe people should actually act in their own little way to make things better. Be that what you dedicate towards, form community with others. Create social networks of caring about the people near to you. Volunteer in events, participate in organizing.

      There has to be more than just anger that boils till the water evaporates.

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          I think the day of the church shooting (the more recent one) there were two other mass shootings.

          It is quite odd to become numb to this. I remember coming home from school and seeing the columbine shooting on every channel, it being a discussion for weeks and months.

          They used to be rare enough to be named. Now they are so common I have to qualify which recent church shooting I’m talking about. I saw a headline recently that just said “3 mass shootings today” and I didn’t even bother to find out the details.

          The details barely ever change, the response is always the same nothing, the people in power just don’t care. Over time even if you do care you just become exhausted. There’s literally not enough time to process one mass shooting before the next.

          And now fascism has arrived and has decided it wants to make war against the citizens, so it’s a bad disarm. The loudest gun owners are excited about this turn of events, but they aren’t the only gun owners.

          Part of me thinks this is all to the benefit of the owner class. A scared population is easier to control, just promise them safety. An isolated population that has no third place to go to due to the threat of violence is easier to exploit. They don’t fix it because it’s working just fine for them.

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      Listen. Nobody is releasing those files ever. Either because the Republicans over played their hands and realised actually there is nothing really here.

      Or it’s bi-partisan and the party not in power will shout about it until they get in power and then go quiet.

      I lean towards number 1, based on Occam’s Razor.

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        Oh, we all know we’ll never see any files.

        Asking for the files is how people say “Donald Trump Rapes Children” without inviting a defamation suit, or actively promoting vigilante justice.

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          Then I think it’s a waste of energy for so many people to be this obsessed. We should be focusing on wealth inequality in my opinion and anything not in service of that is a distraction.

          Don’t get me wrong I’m not telling people what they can and cannot be mad about, more in the grand scheme of things is trivial and we don’t even know if there was anything particularly crazy in there.

          For what it’s worth “Trump fucks kids” he can try sue me, but if he does I’ll hunt him down and shoot him in his face. I wonder if MI5 are reading this and will turn me in to Trump.

          Edit: I love that you just get downvoted here but nobody will directly challenge your thoughts. Just downvote and move along. Really not constructive at all.

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    The culprit is American culture, and most people feed the beast that creates it. Maybe it’s time to detach from Americas values and lifestyle.