We need an archive link to this from this guy OR someone else verifying that this is true. I tried to find it, but couldn’t. I’ll give everyone a half an hour.
Edit: Thanks for everyone doing so much research. The crazy thing is, when you go to @DavidShuster, the comment doesn’t show up at all and it looks the account hasn’t been active for a year or so. But then RedJard linked and archived the original. LillyPip confirmed that it is his account.
I now spent close to an hour trying to figure out Robinson’s political leanings, and as of right now the internet simply does not know.
This is the closest:
A public records database shows Robinson’s family resides in Washington, Utah, where Trump garnered support from 75% of voters in the 2024 presidential election. Robinson’s parents have Republican listed as their party affiliation, said public voter registration information, and they are considered active voters (each cast ballots in the 2024 election that gave Trump a second presidency).
Public records also indicated Robinson registered as a voter in Utah in July 2021 but was considered inactive and did not declare an affiliation to any party when he registered.
And then there’s a lot of talk about bullet engravings which leave me very confused. How can you engrave “If you’re reading this you’re gay” - 26 characters onto a single bullet? Even so, the messaging is open to interpretation. We simply do not know yet, and we might never know 100%! He’s conflicted, that much seems clear.
IMHO most timely and objective article as of right now: LA Times
edit: I wrote this 24h ago. Surely the situation has changed by now. See you in a more timely thread!
Wouldn’t the bullet that called Kirk a fascist be an indicator of a possible left position held by the shooter?
Magats like to throw insults, but very often it is evident that they do not understand what the words they use, actually mean. “Fascist”, “Communist”, “Socialist” are all examples of “insults” I’ve been called by obvious magats. I don’t think they understand what TDS is either, even though they all have terminal cases of it. In general, I don’t think magats understand much of anything at all.
I mean, anybody can throw the word “fascism” out there and a wide variety of people purport to hate fascism so shrugs maybe but probably not.
Yeah, but quoting an antifascist song and writing “hey fascist, catch” on your bullets is one of those things that feels suggestive of the rarer lefty shooter. There was also something initially reported as pro-trans symbolism, but it didn’t sound like a trans symbol I’d seen before.
It’s a groyper thing, which also a traditionally rightist thing. Steal leftist terminology and reuse it to troll leftists and confuse everyone else.
I shall take socialism away from the Socialists.
suggestive being the alarmingly prevalent word here…
We aren’t playing Clue here, all this extremely extrapolative speculation has consequences that point toward accelerating violence and isn’t good for anyone in the end.
My understanding is that it’s a Helldivers 2 reference, so not necessarily.
True, but i still don’t see how it can’t be a game reference and a label applied to Kirk. I don’t see how somebody, who is right wing themselves, would use this. But it makes perfect sense if the shooter was left.
Super Earth calls the bugs fascist in game in spite of being fascist.
Groypers and always online fascists co-opt left language and I see them call other nazis fascists derisively. I will bet you ten thousand dollars there will be no sign the shooter was leftist in any way.
He recycled one time!
30.06 is a large bullet and the words were allegedly written on the cases of the bullets, not the rounds themselves. Good to be skeptical but a fine point Sharpie could get 26 characters on there if you had small handwriting or did multiple lines or whatever.
Yup. And you could probably engrave it with a nail, so the barrier here is pretty low, but it would probably take an hour or so to engrave a simple message because it’s kinda hard.
Yeah, but think of all the Internet points he probably got showing off the rounds beforehand?
If you’re reading this you’re gay
If you’re reading this you’re gay, LMAO…
Even so, the messaging is open to interpretation.
Really?
I don’t know what the commenter meant, but my guess would be that they meant the statement could’ve been a lighthearted joke or homophobic and it isn’t clear which.
it’s 4chan drivel, i called it from the text alone even before the Nick Fuentes angel
“IfURReadngthisURG”
It’s tighter but gets the same message across
“URG? Must be trans ideology…”
- the FBI, probably
He donated to trump…
I heard this was another person with the same name.
I assume you mean proof as to the claims.
But just in case if you mean the tweet being made and made by that account, it is still up and I made an archived version of it.The account claims to be
journalist […] TYT.com Rebel HQ. Previously anchored for MSNBC + AJAM
I’m going to leave this up and let you all decide if this is true or not. He hasn’t been confirmed as this journalist, but x is a POS organization, so everyone gets to decide for themselves.
I trust David Shuster as a journalist, but I personally really would prefer more evidence.
It’s not checkmarked as officially him though. It’s not that I’m doubting the journalist, we don’t know if this is him.
This article from 2010 quotes and links to that same Twitter account as being his, so it looks real as far as I can tell. Other articles and references I’ve found more recently also link to that same account. It looks legit.
Remember, the blue check no longer means ‘verified’ – now it only means ‘paid for premium’ (since Musk took over, he changed it such that you just have to pay monthly for the blue check, not be the verified person), so I wouldn’t put stock in that blue check now.
e: it’s at the bottom, here’s the quote:
Meanwhile Shuster hasn’t made a peep on Twitter since MSNBC called his direct tweets to O’Keefe “inappropriate.” It will be one week tomorrow morning – we’ve reached out to MSNBC to see if there has been any suspension. Either way, he can communicate through Red Eye‘s in-box…
Ohhhh gotcha. I was just adding my two cents, but now I understand what you’re saying. I’ll contact him about this.
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Besides some rumors and claims that he police officers would already have confirmed themselves by now, there is nothing to suggest he is. The closest I’ve seen are the claims that he was “deep Groyper signalling” with the bullet case inscriptions, but that’s just grasping at straws.
I suspect his Discord gamer group may have been more involved in shaping his ideology, specially if he was giving details on how he towel wrapped his rifle there. Unfortunately, Discord nuked it and now we have to rely on the (in)competence of the Trump appointed authorities and their heavy political baggage.
The fact is that is you have a group that fetishizes guns and fetishizes using them and the tactical encounters with them using a “second amendment” “it’s there to act against the oppressor” ideology, you are going to get shooters. Why obsess about what the spark or the trigger was? The Groypers are basically The Army of the 12 Monkeys in this scenario.
No matter how holy you are there is always someone holier than thou. They should implicate Laura Loomer for encouraging this assassination since she was one of the people who said Charlie wasn’t republican enough lol.
Where are the actual sources of this information? Are there police interview transcripts available somewhere? Are there reports about a transcript from reputable sources? So far all I’ve seen is wild speculation by untrusted sources.
As of now, all I actually know about this guy is that he shot charlie kirk.
r/conservative is really trying to paint him as a transperson associate.
So is the right entering a civil war with the right, as prophecized ?
Ok… What’s your evidence that he was a groyper? How are you any different than them when they were hoping it would be an immigrant or some trans person when they had no evidence
A very deep sigh of relief was uttered by me, but then turned into a groan of frustration, because all those right wing nutcases who were calling for the heads of all leftists are now again demanding sympathy. Fuck them.
remember, Charlie Kirk did not believe in empathy, so fulfill his wishes and do not have any for him
Charlie was a pain in the neck.
At least he started to lean left at the very end
This is the full quote.
No, don’t “oh that’s still bad”, you thought all the people repeating half of the quote weren’t lying to you with the specific goal of justifying murder. Classic brown shirt behavior.
His dick is definitely flaccid by now you can hop off
Sympathy is for something that happened. Empathy connects you to others and prevents the need for sympathy. That being said, where’s the full quote on “a woman’s place is under her husband’s thumb.” Or him calling for the release and exoneration of the dude who attacked Nancy pelosi’s husband?
Something something brown shirts?
Those who REFUSE to offer empathy, can’t reasonably expect it in return.
They flop around more than a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man.
I’m still thinking a lot of those “people” are just “bots”
Time to get un-relieved because this is fake (as discussed in other comments).
Didn’t Spencer Cox even say that he is shattered that the shooter was “one of us” (read: white male) and not an immigrant? Like on TV, not in a cocaine-fueled xitter rant post.
Edit: Found it
I will never be able to get over how this frightened, insecure 11 year old in an adult costume presents himself on camera:
he constantly on cocaine.
What a pathetic excuse for an elected leader. Almost crying because the shooter was “one of them” and not their fake “enemy”.
“Where is my straw man I ordered off Amazon?”
pulls off the mask a la Scooby Doo
“Another right wing gun nut?!”“And I’d have gotten away with it too!”
The investigation is ongoing, but I want to make it crystal clear right now to whoever did this. We will find you. We will try you and we will hold you accountable to the furthest extent of the law. And I just want to remind people that we still have the death penalty here in the state of Utah.
We can return violence with violence, we can return hate with hate. And that’s the problem with political violence, is it metastasizes. Because we can always point the finger at the other side. And at some point, we have to find an off ramp, or it’s going to get much much worse.
Incredible the difference a day can make.
Source? Who said the second thing?
The second quote is from 13:20 in the video linked above me. https://youtu.be/WNWEwyPTh_M?t=800 if you’re lazy.
The first quote is from the same guy a day or two earlier, I found it transcribed in a fox news article and won’t go looking for it again.
Oh sorry. I didn’t want to watch a video so I didn’t realize the quote was from it. Thanks
Governor Cox of Utah. his big schtick is lecturing people about reaching across the aisle for civility while still being abrasive and maga half the time
I don’t understand why he’s trying to spin it like people from Utah are exceptional people for not rioting and burning cars. The guy was a grifting YouTuber. It’s not like the president died.
The people who make it a regular habit to attack others because of who they are, yet also somehow have a persecution complex, find it pretty easy to assume that when one of their own gets attacked it’s because of who they are too. It’s like a damned street gang that’s looking for a fight. “One of themmmm killed one of ussss, time to counter attack! To waaar!”
“… oh shit THAT bullet was from our side TOO? I think nobody noticed. Can we get this party started or what!?”
It’s as gross as it is predictable. Their reactions to these shootings always follow the same rule: a member of the master race killing one of the subhumans is just an unfortunate fact of life, but one of the subhumans killing a member of the master race merits national if not global headlines that will at minimum be memorable trivia for people who lived through that year.
And I say this as an old white dude.
"That’s just the spark son. The excuse we’ve been waiting for. America’s wanted this war for years. "
They were going to make any attack on anyone an excuse for more violence on their part.
I think he also meant Mormon. IIRC the shooter’s family is Mormon.
Mormons have historically been extremely racist. It was pretty recently that they stopped preaching that black people are black because god cursed them (the curse of Ham). They put on a smiling, demure front, and the church has tried very hard to rehabilitate their image, but the Mormon religion is pretty fucked up.
He absolutely said that and tried to make it seem like he was talking about him being an Utah citizen.
Wow, he actually said that shit
He looks so small
the face of 24/7 binge on cocaine.
he looks more like a dimetripper
Not cancelled, delayed. The screeches about this being a left wing plot going back decades haven’t gotten rolling yet. The far right’s civil war will be back on by suppertime.
Right on schedule.
Release the Epstein files.
The guardian retracted this
Of course it did. 🧐😆
Helldivers 2 came out in 2024. Was he in high school when he was 21?!??
aye, smells like bullshit, me son.
Call me cynical, but I’m convinced that the MAGA mouthpieces all knew full well from the start that the balance of probability was that it would be one of their own.
They knew they’d have maybe 48 hours max to flood all outlets and social media with stories of it being a suspected trans activist, so that by the time the truth came out the story would already be old news and people would be fatigued and just remember that there was some uncertainty over his motives.
But his trans ideologies!!!
I have not watched the video yet (nor do I plan to), but it’s easily enough still online. I don’t think this one is as forgettable considering it was live streamed basically.
I think Kirk is already forgotten. We’re dealing with a talking point like Mr Potato Head going woke or Gulf of Mexico. If it’s popular the topic sticks around. But nobody cares about Kirk, the actual person who lived and had various opinions.
… Am i the only one who was hoping to find out what the hell a “groyper” is somewhere in this thread? Sounds like something I don’t want in my search history.
The Google search data blew up about that topic.
It’s a right-wing group by Nick Fuentes. A combination of edge lord shit and believing the the right isn’t pushing even harder.
They loved Trump until they didn’t. And honestly, it’s kind of ironic watching Frankestein’s monster go wild.
Nick Fuentes’ community. They’re just Nazis trolls.
I’m embarassed to ask how I am supposed to pronounce “groyper.”
Wtf is a groyper? Stop making up words. I can’t keep up with this shit.
They are a neonazi christian nationalist group led by Nick Fuentes, who was known to have a long-standing feud with Charlie Kirk. To give it more context, these people are so far right that they view Charlie Kirk as liberal.
This is all funny to me because Fuentes is kind of a Latino sounding name…
That’s because he is a Latino Neo Nazi
I’m just saying… Alligator Alcatraz doesn’t discriminate ideology.
Nazis ain’t that bright
Also you misspelled Auschwitz
To be clear I was saying I hope the leopards will eat his face.
Given the new supreme court ruling and the ICE ruling I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody pulled a hyundai factory on fuentes.
So is Pinochet, which the MAGA idolize.
I had to look “groyper” up too.
I think I’ve hit that point in aging where I just have to embrace being that antique family member and start asking my kids, nieces, and nephews what the slang means as new words get rolled out.
It’s just short for piece of shit.
We already have an acronym for that.
is there a real source for this or just some twitter guy?
Some Twitter guy has multiple awards for journalism, I’m inclined to give him some benefit. But I would like someone to provide an official statement.
Citations or GTFO because we should always check for sources especially in this day and age, awards or not.
You’re not wrong. Just highlighting he at least has some credibility beyond the average xitter poster.
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No I don’t think he’s the us president…
It’s just speculation. No real motive has been determined. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-09-12/what-we-know-about-the-suspected-killer-of-charlie-kirk
LA Times wrote this less than 15 minutes ago:
Investigators are still looking through evidence and trying to determine a motive in the slaying.
The only things in writing are the words etched into the bullets, and those are mixed. He wrote an anti-fascist statement on a bullet casing and other text on others, but nothing to indicate he had liberal or conservative ideologies. If anything, he appeared to be mostly mad at the whole system.
Honestly with this administration, I have a difficult time believing any evidence they provide. The head of the FBI is a fucking podcaster who was able to lie profusely to the point that he caught Trump’s attention. That must take a lot of lying.
He wrote an anti-fascist statement on a bullet casing
No, he wrote Helldiver’s 2 and groyper memes.
Hey, fascist! Catch! ↑ → ↓↓↓
Is for this: https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Eagle_500kg_Bomb
They say the truth can’t get it’s pants on before a lie made it around the world, but I love Lemmy cause mfers come with sources within minutes or hours
When I first heard about the three arrows, I thought it was a reference to the iron front. This is so much lamer.
How do you get more explicitly anti-fascist than ‘Hey fascist catch (a bomb)’ and bella ciao?
“Notices bulges OwO what’s this?” is used within the groypers to make fun of furries, as well as when they are (ugh I hate that I’m about to say this word) “transvestigating”, which is when they “investigate” whether someone is trans or not. Also see “If you read this, you are gay LMAO”
Bella ciao is also used ironically within the groypers.
If it was the only thing there… Sure. Its not though, its one of several things, which all have one very specific context - groypers.
Context is always important.
Edit: Forgot to add - with Helldivers 2, the joke is you’ve got fascists dropping bombs while saying they are dropping bombs on fascists. Again, a meme reference for groypers.
In the game where that code is from, you play as a human soldier fighting for a starship troopers-esque over the top obviously fascist but played for laughs Super Earth Government, and they routinely call the bug aliens fascist while calling in bombing runs on them.
Good question. I’ll show you something then you decide or you want to dive into it further. It mostly far-right meme shit and doesn’t make a lot of sense for outsiders.
80 years as one of the most recognizable anti fascist anthems vs some random Spotify playlist. Surely he referenced it because it carries the same weight as ASTRO - Slowed Opium Remix.
I’d like to raise a few points:
- Conservatives are media illiterate.
- Deeply online groypers live under 16 layers of irony at all times.
- Fascists love pretending that they’re actually heroes fighting the real fascists who want to give people free bread. To a lot of Americans, communist and fascist are the same word.
I can’t tell you if bella ciao is a popular alt-right meme because I don’t hang out with them, but I can tell you it’s far from impossible.
100+ $ che guevara tshirts
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There is a post on front page of Reddit that said shooters granny said he was maga on her Facebook page but I did not see any proof of it one way or other.
Edit post is here now too
To be fair, my own granny died thinking I was still a card carrying Republican. Sometimes you don’t tell Grandma you are a godless liberal. The old folks don’t really need to know everything. Christmas gets kinda awkward if you do.
I am almost 70 grannies and such are long gone. I get to be a godless liberal with no side eye.
Most articles actually said the complete opposite of what this shitter post claims.
Cox said: “The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner prior to September 10, and in the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU.”
There was a mention of how “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate”.
Most articles also say that one of the bullet casings had a “bella ciao” engraving which could be false flag but also could be real.
Bella ciao is in a number of these far right guys’ playlists.
Not to mention the stuff on the casings was specifically antifascist.
Not really, the “hey fascist, catch” one is from helldiver’s 2, where the satirical fascist human soldiers ironically call the bug aliens they fight fascists. The arrows are the code to call in an airstrike.
This dude was putting his groyper memes on his bullets
Helldivers 2 is popular, but I’m more focused on the Bella Ciao lyrics. Seems pretty obscure for a surface level imitation of antifascists.
Apparently there’s a remix version all over the groyper playlists they share.
FWIW, there’s plenty of alt-right “advice” out there to use left wing messaging if someone decides to do something stupid. It’s potentially a tactic to misdirect and frame the violence.
casings can very easily be planted. that shouldn’t be convincing taken on its own.
That’s what I’m waiting to see. We have to be patient.
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Turns out people with morals, on average, don’t like killing. Um, sorry you’re mad about it?
This isn’t the type of “action” the left-leaning population tends to take. Violence begets violence.
That is extremely unfortunate for the left.
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are we seriously removing these types of comments and banning people for them here? most of us left reddit to escape this type of over bearing moderation and censorship. Not a good look at all.
PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER. (-- edit: i’m disgusted that people actually disagree with this sentiment. if you don’t think you should be able to disagree with people here you should report this comment and moderation should fucking ban me because i dont want to be here.)
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They said “hey hey, ho ho” right before “Donald Trump has got to go” so I don’t know how you can say that didn’t do anything…
Some of them even had SNARKY SIGNS.
Maybe the shooter thought they had been hidden on a microchip in Charlie’s neck and just wanted to let them out
