This still doesn’t make brave a good privacy browser in the long run
The founder of Brave browser got fired from Firefox because he was homophobic
Literally nothing will get me to use this crypto scam of a browser.
I’ve used this for years and have never interacted with any crypto feature
That you know of
That sounds like fear mongering, but ok.
Brave was found to inject crypto referral links into your
clicksurl auto complete.https://www.tomsguide.com/news/brave-affiliate-links-autocomplete
They kind of just ignore that the crypto feature is opt-in.
The fact that the dev behind brave is a homophobe isn’t opt in though…
Also, their whole business model was (is?) just replacing ads with ads they get paid for.
Uh… no? It just puts sponsored backgrounds when you open new tabs or windows notifications if you opt-in
It never replaced ads in websites afaik
They’re not actively replacing elements on a web page, but they’re still getting paid to show you ads and you can opt in for some crypto nonsense.
Sure, so? It’s still opt-in, and by default it sends the generated crypto money to creators and websites you visit
If you don’t like it, don’t enable it? They’re pretty transparent about how it works overall
They have pretty much abandoned this feature anyways
Sure, but that’s opt-in. By default, it just blocks ads.
It’s also just another flavor of chromium so it still helps Google maintain their monopoly.
Anyone trying to de-google needs to be using Firefox.
Peter Thiel was also a major, early investor in the project.
That’s another ‘this one thing should let you know this is radioactive.’
If you only use software that is created by people you like… well… i guess your only choice will be an abacus…
I don’t care if I like them. I very much care if I’m making money for people who are actively trying to take away my rights
People act like these fuckers dont influence anything, like they exist in some bubble away from reality. It matters what you use. What you use empowers the creator.
Sure, that sucks, but the product is good
You can’t always agree with everyone
Not interacted doesnt mean it’s non-existant.
It exists and therefore it’s bad enough.it’s bad enough.
This is debatable. i find some that people hate on AI and crypto regardless of it’s implementation
Exactly this. They’re acting braindead and disliking things for no valid reason
Just massively spreading misinformation
It’s okay, it’s never too late to switch.
The better option would be to not use spyware as an operating system.
Do you consider any form of telemetry “spyware”?
You consider actual, literal spyware as being merely telemetry?
What are you talking about now?
I believe they are talking about Windows, an OS that is spyware and no one should use
An example of Windows being spyware not standard telemetry is the Recall feature. A feature that doesn’t just tell you how the OS is used but actually takes screenshots every few seconds
Windows, an OS that is spyware and no one should use
Of, ffs, grow up.
An example of Windows being spyware not standard telemetry is the Recall feature. A feature that doesn’t just tell you how the OS is used but actually takes screenshots every few seconds
You have no clue what you’re talking about, do you?
Recall only works on devices with an NPU. Do you know why? Because it runs locally. It’s got NOTHING to do with telemetry, because it does NOT send data to Microsoft.
Recall only works on devices with an NPU. Do you know why? Because it runs locally.
Show code or gtfo
LOL, this is hilarious :D
Imagine believing they can sneak gigabytes of network traffic without anyone noticing just because you can’t read the code! :D
I don’t think taking screenshots of everything you do every few seconds is telemetry.
It’s not, but it’s also not spyware - it’s local, encrypted, AND optional.
Actual optional things are disabled by default.
So you’re saying you haven’t bothered to read about Recall at all, you just assumed it’s going to be enabled by default?
Until a windows update kicks in and somehow turns it on for the world. thanks but no thanks. I’ll be disabling this not with a reg key but with local policy or DSC if I have to use a windows machine for personal again.
I switched to Linux 2 months ago.
Until a windows update kicks in and somehow turns it on for the world.
I don’t know if this is a regional thing, but I’ve been using Windows since 3.11 and have NEVER had ONE instance of an update randomly turning on something that I’ve turned off before.
Look at this bootlicker ignoring history and saying trust Microsoft.
“Look at this fossil thinking it’s still 1990”, I guess?
Mate, did you miss how 30 years have passed? How the world change? Can you even begin to imagine the fine the EU would slap without a second thought on MS if they tried pulling something like suddenly grabbing these screenshots from users’ devices?
Optional like how it reminds me every 3 days that it wants my info for “customization” purposes, and I can only sleep the notification for another 3 days instead of telling it to fuck off?
They have been so predatory, at this point no one should see anything they do as benefiting end users.
If it does that, outrage will be understandable.
Getting outraged about something they said will be 100% optional and hasn’t even released yet is just childish.
Microsoft is known for making things “optional” at first then eventually forcing it down everyone’s throats. Removing offline accounts is one of them.
It’s not so much the technology itself is malware, but its behavior replicates that of malware.
Yes hello John Windows my microwave account name is Oobe\bypassnro
This also works: shift-F10 before you get to the network configuration, then type this and press enter start ms-cxh:localonly
For either method, if you configure networking during setup, e.g. plug in an ethernet cable or give it the wi-fi password, it’ll keep returning to the online account screen. You need to do it prior to network config.
Right. So you’re all panicking just in case.
That’s what’s being swept under the rug as “alarmists being loud”.
The same way you have a lock on your front door “just in case”. It’s not emotional. It’s logical.
The lock is there. The whole thing is encrypted.
If they somehow go through encryption, they won’t just have the EU on their arses, governments of the entire world will be after them, because they trust that this encryption system makes their data secure.
how the hell do you not?
I don’t know, maybe because I understand the definition of “spyware” and “telemetry”?
Well, semantically yes, not all telemetry is spyware. However regarding Windows telemetry it’s indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed.
The crux is that Windows telemetry is opt out, opting out can’t be done during installation, and historically opting out wasn’t sticky. Additionally some Windows telemetry is still being sent despite opting out.
That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.
However regarding Windows telemetry it’s indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed
Ah, so you’re another one of those fear-mongers?
Here’s the Required Diagnostic Events Fields (required telemetry) documentation.
Keeping in mind that it’s anonymous - which parts of this are you so vehemently against sending to Microsoft?
That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.
The shittiest spyware in history, I guess, considering it’s all anonymous…
Honestly it largely is.
Personally I like sharing crash reports, but even then, the user should be able to turn that off if you like.
Telemetry should be 100% opt-in.
Honestly it largely is.
I mean, by definition, it isn’t.
It’s anonymous and not malicious in nature. It’s a diagnostic and engagement measuring tool.
diagnostic
I think it is useful to send crash reports, but the user should have power over it (see: when macOS generates a crash report, it asks the user if they would like to send it)
engagement measuring
That is your data they are taking to make money off of without your consent, and I consider that malicious. There are ways to do that with consent. See: Steam’s annual hardware survey
That is your data they are taking to make money off of without your consent
I mean… They’re a for-profit company, so literally anything they do is to make money.
But it’s not “my data”, it’s anonymous. The “engagement” info is in relation to features. That’s why some features are removed - because nobody uses them. Or rather: not enough people use them to warrant maintenance.
And how do you know it’s not malicious in nature? I’d like to know what your definition of “malicious” is if you’re just fine with letting a Corpo run system look at everything you’re doing.
And how do you know it’s not malicious in nature?
Because I have a functioning brain.
I’d like to know what your definition of “malicious” is
Malware is designed to hurt you by extracting your personal information or resources.
Telemetry is designed to give developers feedback about product/functionality usage and is anonymous.
you’re just fine with letting a Corpo run system look at everything you’re doing.
I’m not, and it’s not. Unlike you, I actually checked what data telemetry gathers and I’m perfectly fine with it. It’s inconsequential and anonymous.
not malicious in nature
Haha, sure thing William
Are you a tech-illiterate person?
If not, explain how is it malicious.
BUT… most people really don’t care about that, they just want to remove ads from facebook or youtube or whatever…
My clients couldn’t care less about what the CEO does, heck they still think facebook is the dogs danglies and youtube is cutting edge plus Netflix is the best streaming service.
Fighting that is way harder than then trying to explain that some software is worse than others. Heck plenty still use Photoshop because they don’t understand that alternatives exist and “everyone at work uses it”
Let me know when it is discovered that they in fact replaced MS Recall with their own version that was scraping your data in yet another sketchy attempt to make money.
yeah but it’s run by an active opponent of LGBT folks
Running Linux would block this feature too.
Just reason sayin.
Switching to Linux made me like computers again. Switching to Hyprland made me love computers again.
Switching to TempleOS made me hear the voices again.
Switching to Hannah Montana Linux made me hear The Best of Both Worlds again.
I want to use Corey in the House Linux
Same story here! Im in love with computing all over again because of it. Too bad many are tricked into thinking Microsoft ia the only option.
Actually, Linux doesn’t block windows, it just isn’t windows.
Just reason saying.
Actually it does! When youre installing, just delete the windows boot partition and your done!
Delete only the boot partition? Doug kick him off the tour!
I only use Linux and I want Windows to just stay out of my way or it’ll pay, listen to what I say.
You gotta have your old files! But man does NTFS suck ass
There’s one in every thread.
Running Linux would block this feature too.
Keep In mind that you can still be captured by this feature indirectly,
Discord for example certainly doesn’t intend to do anything to hide your messages, they recently went public so in their eyes more tracking the better.Discord… Still isn’t public?
They’re certainly talking about it but they haven’t announced a date yet.
Having said that, element and matrix are both more privacy respecting so I do agree with the recommendation in general.
Discord… Still isn’t public?
They’re certainly talking about it but they haven’t announced a date yet.
Apologies, I striked the lines out of my previous comment. It simply was an example of how you still can be captured.
I used some stuff to block my location and windows recall BECAUSE FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!
You can’t block all of Windows spyware. The best case of action would be to install an alternative operating system like Linux or a BSD-derivative. It’s counter-intuitive to “fuck Microsoft” when you are still using their OS.
I wonder why the fuck is am taking so long to do it…
I recently switched, and would be happy to give whatever rudimentary pointers I can. I’ve found that Linux mint is the best option for me. You can also easily flash it onto a USB and try it out to confirm compatibility.
The biggest things are these:
- you have to make sure to backup anything you want, because the installation wipes the hard drive.
- you must (usually) completely erase the windows partition, since the windows updater will usually bork the Linux install the moment you try to boot windows.
- you should turn off SecureBoot and bitlocker before you attempt an installation.
- rather than dual-booting windows with Linux, it is comparatively simple to set up a Virtual Machine running windows inside Linux.
- if you’re getting really serious about privacy, you’re going to have a TON of services that you may be unable to access, because they are full of trackers and spyware. Baby steps are recommended before trying to make a clean break from all telemetry, tracking and spyware.if you use an android, try installing TrackerControl from f-droid (or, for one that doesn’t break as much stuff, Duckduckgo’s app tracking protection) and enable it. You’ll begin to see just how many calls to add, data brokers, telemetry, and other shit gets caught, and DDG doesn’t even touch all the google spyware.
I gave been wanting to go on linux mint for almost a year. Its time I fucking did it.
Edit: I have been doing a lot for privacy, but it just isn’t enough. For example I wanted to use venice.ai… but I didn’t just use a tutamail email, I even used a prepaid credit card. I live in canada where you don’t need to attach your name to a prepaid card, meaning it is as anonymous as possible if you want to buy something with a card (and yes, I paid for it in cash and it was activated by the store).
Well, let me know if you’ve got any trouble. Oh, and do you have an HP? Those things SUCK at installing Linux. One of those things you have to find out from trying to install it on three separate HP devices.
I am a Dell guy through and through. I flashed linux mint on a cheap ass USB I had lying around. I will start with my laptop this weekend.
Nice
there are 100% fed backdoors for looking in your pc in Windows
Now whilst I enjoy all the comments I actually have to add something quickly that explains why this kind of thing happens. I recently worked with a rather old lady to find out why she was having so many issues with technology and stuff. I found out that when she started work in 1986 she was told that the shared password in her department at the local hospital was “password” and so she has used that on everything she can since to remember it… other gems that they used on whole departments included “qwerty” and “123456” and the best one of all “letmeinnow”. On whole shared networks of 100+ machines…
Brave browser blocks Windows feature that takes screenshots of everything you do on your PC
As does Linux.
You use Linux? Here take this you’ve earned it 🍪
What if they always decline cookies? Or is this cookie one of those necessary ones?
OK, you need to explain to me how tf does Linux block something that works only on Windows.
No Windows, no such Windows “features”.
Well, you certainly need to be in a specific state of mind for this to make any sense…
Yep, and you also have to be in a specific state of mind to be okay with “features” like something that takes screenshots of everything you do on your PC.
Then don’t enable it.
But, you can’t disable Recall, that’s the point…
You can just not use Windows and use Linux instead.
But, you can’t disable Recall, that’s the point…
Well… Technically you’re correct - because the feature is not out yet.
No idea WTF you people are reading here, but for a “Technology” community, the comments here are just plain ridiculous…
I’ve been dosing too much tux, doc. My mind’s all FOSSY.
In this thread something I see a lot on lemmy is happening. Maybe someone can give me a hint on how that happens. The post itself is 90% upvotes, while the comment section is really anti-Brave (for good reasons). Do most upvotes come from people scrolling through without looking at the comment section and those with an opinion on the topic dive into it?
I upvote the post because I support the feature, and would like to see more browsers implement more privacy focused features.
I upvote the anti-Brave comments, because fuck Brave.
The post itself is reasonable quality and informative so I find it upvote worthy. If a post is low quality or a shit post then I downvote.
To me the karma system is about quality. Not an “I agree/disagree” button.
For comments I only down vote obvious trolls, bigots/racism etc.
To me the karma system is about quality. Not an “I agree/disagree” button.
That’s how it was meant to be. The original Rediquette from over 15 years ago has:
“Vote. If you think something contributes to conversation, upvote it. If you think it does not contribute to the subreddit it is posted in or is off-topic in a particular community, downvote it.
[Please don’t] Downvote an otherwise acceptable post because you don’t personally like it. Think before you downvote and take a moment to ensure you’re downvoting someone because they are not contributing to the community dialogue or discussion. If you simply take a moment to stop, think and examine your reasons for downvoting, rather than doing so out of an emotional reaction, you will ensure that your downvotes are given for good reasons.”But 99% of people definitely use them as an Agree/Disagree button.
It seems to me most people simply upvote the post to reward OP for bringing things up, exposing etc. Comments serve opinions on the topic itself, but upvote/downvote is more for if it’s good according to community rules and if the topic itself is interesting.
I think you should not downvote a post you have a negative opinion about. If the post is worth to discuss then why should I not upvote the post and then say that I disagree in the comments. If we all down vote those posts nobody will see it (apart of those who sort by controversial) and there will be no discussion.
I’ve noticed this on political posts too, among others and I’ve wondered the same thing.
I upvote posts that I think are worth being seen by more people. That includes posts about topics that I don’t like or agree with, but think people need to know is happening and I think to know that are not including disinformation or misinformation or opinion written as facts.
Unfortunately that would involve using the Brave browser, which is an antifeature in itself.
Can you elaborate? I don’t use it.
They shit on it because just like Mozilla, they made some shit decision by making some shady partnerships, and because the CEO is transphobic/homophobic/can’t remember
Apart from the usual bullshit and antifeatures it has, it’s still a great browser choice, just like Firefox
I just think the idea of your alternative being partially coded by the company you’re attempting to avoid is a little stupid. I don’t give a shit who he is. I barely give a shit who runs Mozilla.
Brave and every other Chromium fork are at the mercy of Google to exist as an alternative to Google, which to me, defeats the point. Every bit of their effort would be better spent rolling their money over to donate to browser development rather than band-aids.
Tradeoffs have to be made. Android is an example of that…
Chromium can be worked on by anyone, it’s just that it’s too costly to do
“Just like Mozilla”.
Let’s compare.
Mozilla: installed a closed-source plugin once, and then apologised for it.
Brave CEO: actively supports homophobic organisations, donates money to them, injects affiliate links to stores, whenever given a microphone will say something bigoted and homophobic.
Yeah, it’s totally the same exact issue with both browsers!
Brave: injected affiliate links once, then apologised for it too. Developped a search engine to be less dependent on big companies
Mozilla is spending money like crazy, just like Wikipedia, has little to no democratic system which makes people fork the stuff they make, and prefer to use the money from donation to buy trips all over the world to educate about privacy and shit while they proceed to keep adding more telemetry and BS in firefox
They also make it close to impossible to install plugins outside their plugins website, which I’ve heard has some strict rules and take a lot of time to approve stuff. Closed garden bullshit again
Linux blocks that “feature” too…
What feature? Recall?? That’s Windows 11-specific and hasn’t even launched yet??
The joke is that Linux blocks this by not doing it at all. Which is why people should switch to Linux. Which is a good idea. But that’s up to the people.
I love this comment so much
A device that surreptitiously gathers information on a target is called a bug, not a feature.
More like malware
yup. how do people continue using Winblows :/
It’s actually super simple: even though the community is called “Technology”, there’s A LOT of tech-illiterate fear mongering going on here. People behave like Microsoft is trying to spy on them, seemingly oblivious to the fact that Recall is:
- only available on devices with an NPU.
- local only, nothing goes out to the Internet (hence the NPU requirement).
- opt-in - you need to turn it on yourself.
There’s nothing malicious about it. Functionality is questionable, but acting like it’s malware is just showing ignorance.
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature we don’t like 🤣
Well, not really, a bug is unintentional. Even calling it a design flaw is a stretch, it’s a feature that isn’t for your benefit.“Bug” also means “listening device.”
If it was intentional double entendre then I retract my comment, but used in the context of “bugs and features” there’s a contextual implication.
It was wordplay, yes.
I retract.
So, you’re saying that browsing history, in literally any browser on the market, is a bug not a feature?
surreptitiously
Oh, wait, I actually missed that! How is something that you need to purposefully turn on “surreptitious”? Like… Holy fuck, people, this is supposed to be the community of tech-literate people, so maybe stop fear-mongering in read about Recall a bit? It’s opt-in, it’s limited to a (as of now) extremely small number of NPU-carrying devices, it’s offline.
If you don’t like it, just don’t fucking turn it on.
It’s a good thing that microsoft is trustworthy and you can believe everything they say. And that malware never misuses resources of the system on which it is installed.
Recall sits in a secure vault behind BitLocker encryption secured with Windows Hello.
BitLocker+Windows Hello gets broken through, the world has a much larger problem than some screenshots, because that’s the foundation of, like, 80% of enterprise security.
If you’re afraid that an attacker sits on your PC and just waits for you to unlock the vault, then you already have the PC breached to the point where they don’t have to do that, they already have access to everything else.
If you’re afraid of the feature in anyway, don’t use it.
You trust microsoft implicitly no matter what they do, I get it.
I don’t. I read tech specs and security analyses. You just stick your head in the sand whenever someone says “Microsoft”, though. It’s silly.
I don’t trust them and they have given me sufficient reason over the course of decades not to.
So you still think it’s 1990. Got it. Well, times have changed. We have better oversight. The EU has GDPR, user data is better protected. If they tried to pull off a “heist” and suddenly start grabbing these screenshots from users, the fine from EU would be historical.
